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Sep 19, 2013
Mormon church and their god who can't understand the Samoan language
From the Samoaobserver.ws
A group made up of eight Samoans from Brisbane, Australia, have come home. They are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and they belong to a community called Aiga Samoa.
From what weve been told, they are here for two reasons. First they want to prove that the controversial ban on the use of the Samoan language within the Mormon Church in Brisbane does exist.
Second, they want to hear from Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi. So the group, accompanied by their lawyer, Leuluaialii Olinda Woodroffe, met with Tuilaepa on Monday afternoon.
Prior to the meeting, however, spokesperson, Anne Siakisimi Hakula scoffed at claims from some quarters including the LDSs main office at Pesega that the ban does not exist.
They are saying that it is not true and that there is no ban, she said. Well, we are here to prove that leaders of our church LDS in Brisbane Australia have banned the use of the Samoan language.
We are the people that have been affected. So we are only here for one reason and that is to correct these accusations saying that there is nothing happening in the church in Brisbane Australia. We are the people from there. We have been stopped from using our language and that is why we are here.
Well, we have no reason to doubt Mrs. Hakula and her group. The fact they have taken the trouble to come all the way from Australia tells us they are quite serious about their grievance.
Which is just sad. Lets say we take their word for it, such a scenario is not just demoralising, its truly depressing.
After all, why on earth would a church ban the use of a particular language for worship? Isnt Australia a free country? And isnt the Almighty a God of all nations including Samoans? Whats wrong with the Samoan language anyway? Is it not good enough for the god of the Mormons in Brisbane, Australia?
But then there are always two sides to a story.
The last time we checked, the churchs head office here denies the existence of such a ban. Attempts to contact them this week have proven futile. Lets hope that one day theyll tell us their side of the story in relation to the latest development in this saga.
Meanwhile, whatever the truth is, judging from what weve been told so far, the group in Samoa this week does have a very strong argument. We have no doubt that they have been marginalised. No one deserves to be treated like that.
According to lawyer Leuluaialii, the decision is degrading, unfair and illegal. Shes absolutely correct.
And after meeting Prime Minister Tuilaepa, she said they are more than happy with the outcome. First she said Prime Minister Tuilaepa is extremely supportive of their plight. Second, she said the Prime Minister has given them an undertaking that he would write directly to the leaders of the Mormon Church in Australia.
What such a letter would say and what they hope it would achieve, Leuluai did not say.
Lets imagine for a moment. Would the Mormon Church in Australia shiver at the thought of the almighty Prime Minister of Samoa writing to them? Would they run and hide in fear at the thought that theyve upset the all-powerful Tuilaepa?
Come to think of it, maybe the Samoan language ban could be an issue on the agenda for the first meeting between Tuilaepa and Australias new Prime Minister, Tony Abbott? Who knows?
But then again, Mr. Abbott and the Mormon Church in Australia might just laugh at the Prime Minister. They might write back to remind him about the comments he made about the Samoan language in relation to the jewel of the Teuila Festival, the Miss Samoa Pageant.
Didnt he say that the Samoan language would only get you duck eggs? Now, if he doesnt value the Samoan language during a pageant about Samoans for Samoans, why should he care about the Samoan language elsewhere?
Perhaps the Prime Minister should have told the group from Brisbane how he really feels. After all, he is the one who said the language needed to promote Samoa to the world is English not Samoan. And since the Samoans in Brisbane have made Australia their home, they might like to remember that English is that countrys main language. Which means the Prime Minister should encourage them to worship in English.
Make no mistake about it, we feel for the group from Aiga Samoa and what they are trying to achieve. We wish them all the best in their endeavour to reverse the decision.
Frankly speaking, however, its hard to see how Prime Minister Tuilaepa could solve their problem, especially coming from someone who has just openly told the world how he truly views the importance of the very language at the heart of this dispute.
You cannot disrespect the Samoan language in one breath then turn around and tell the world something else. Thats the worst form of hypocrisy.
Ladies and gentlemen, charity begins at home. Lets value our language here first by giving it the respect it deserves including during the Miss Samoa Pageant - before we tell the world off about disrespecting our beloved Samoan.
Thats what we think anyway. What about you? Write and share your thoughts with us!
Sep 19, 2013
Is it time for all the mamona to send your money to another church lol
E le malamalama le tou atua i le gagana o loo tou tapua'i ai ... ha ha haha
Sep 22, 2013
Is it true lol
Understanding Polygamy in Mormon History
By Jana Riess and Christopher Kimball Bigelow from Mormonism For Dummies
Outsiders sometimes ask Mormons often in jest, occasionally in concern whether they practice polygamy. (The Mormon response is usually to roll the eyes and recite for the thousandth time that the Latter-day Saints haven't practiced polygamy for over a century and that anyone who practices it today is excommunicated, yada yada yada.)
Who practiced polygamy, and why?
Modern folks aren't the only ones who feel uncomfortable about the idea of polygamy. When Joseph Smith first explained the doctrine of plural marriage to Brigham Young in the early 1840s, Brigham felt repulsed by it. Like Brigham, most of the early Latter-day Saints didn't instantly warm to the idea, but they gradually came to understand it as God's will.
Finding out who was involved
Although in recent years the Church has downplayed the importance of plural marriage to nineteenth century Saints in order to keep the current stance clear, history shows that polygamy was an extremely important aspect of Mormonism in the nineteenth century.
Rates of polygamous marriages varied at different points throughout the second half of the nineteenth century in Mormon settlements. The 1850s saw many plural marriages, but the rate seems to have declined afterward due to government persecution and changing social standards. The numbers also varied based on geography; some towns embraced polygamy more than others.
Hearing the defense
Why did the Latter-day Saints practice polygamy, especially when this deviation from what was considered "normal" or moral behavior so angered America's citizens and government? Here are some possible reasons, both theological and social:
God told us to do it. Period. Most Mormons believe that although they may not understand why, the Lord chose to institute plural marriage for a brief period in the nineteenth century as the Church was becoming established. The nineteenth century Latter-day Saints felt that they were practicing plural marriage in strict obedience to God's will and that the practice was divinely inspired. In fact, Mormonism still acknowledges polygamy as a divine principle that may apply in heaven, though it's no longer in practice on the earth.
It was part of the "restitution of all things." Mormons saw their practice of polygamy as similar to that of the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They believe that their latter-day church includes, as predicted in the Bible, the "restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began" (Acts 3:21). That includes Old Testament polygamy.
It brought the Latter-day Saints together. Polygamy made the Mormons more cohesive as a people and gave them a distinct identity. Some plural wives were family members even before marriage (two sisters marrying the same man, for example), and the bonds of marriage expanded family networks. Also, the increased persecution caused by polygamy helped the Mormons bond together even more closely as a people.
It raised up a mighty generation. Many Mormons believe that one of the reasons the Lord may have sanctioned polygamy for a time was that it allowed the struggling Latter-day Saints to raise up a "righteous seed" of second- and third-generation Mormons to build the kingdom. Because of polygamy, Mormon families in the nineteenth century were able to obey the Lord's commandment to "be fruitful and multiply," sometimes having two or three times as many children as they may have had with only one child bearer. What's more, polygamy attached women and children to men who had made a strong commitment to the Church, because those men were the most likely to enter into plural marriage.
Busting a few myths about nineteenth century polygamy
Several enduring myths are still bandied about as people try to explain polygamy (or explain it away):
"Mormons practiced polygamy because women on the frontier far outnumbered men, and plural marriage gave every woman a chance to have a husband." In actuality, men sometimes outnumbered women, especially in the early years of Mormon settlement. Some towns had three times as many unmarried men as women. In this marriage market of swinging Mormon singles, women had the pick of the litter.
"Polygamy took care of older women and spinsters so they had a chance to get married." The truth is that most plural wives were younger than the first wife, so they weren't exactly spinsters rescued by polygamy. This idea was especially true in the 1850s, though as the decades passed, convincing young women to enter into plural marriage got tougher.
"Polygamous men lived in harems and had about 20 wives each." Although a few prominent Church leaders like Brigham Young did have wives numbering into the double digits, this situation was far from the norm. Most men who entered into polygamy took only one or two additional wives. If the family could afford it, each wife had her own home or apartment.
"Polygamy was all about sex." Not really. In fact, some of the plural marriages contracted in Utah were for eternity only, meaning that the wife would be on the man's rolls in heaven, but they would have no earthly rolls in the hay. In eternity-only marriages, conjugal relations weren't permitted, and the wife usually supported herself. In marriages for both time and eternity, the couple enjoyed conjugal relations, but the husband was bound to support his wives and any children they had.
"Only the poorest of the poor practiced polygamy." Statistics show that most of the men who practiced polygamy in Utah were among the wealthier members of Mormon society. Supporting multiple households required a certain amount of cold, hard cash, so Church leaders were more likely to approve the marriages of men who could support additional wives. (Plural wives, though, often came from economically disadvantaged backgrounds, and plural marriage to a well-established man helped them move up the social ladder.)
Government pressure to end polygamy
After the Mormons' announcement of plural marriage in 1852 kindled the nation's anger, the U.S. government engaged in a vigorous tug of war with the Mormons in Salt Lake City. For nearly 40 years, the government applied as much political and social pressure as possible to get the Mormons to abandon the hated practice. Congress created antipolygamy legislation that gradually tightened the noose around the Church. Here's a thumbnail sketch:
In 1862, Congress passed the Morrill Antibigamy Act, which made practicing polygamy a felony. However, this law was full of loopholes (not the least of which was that bigamy means only two wives!) and didn't hold any weight in the Mormon-dominated Utah courts.
In 1874, the government resolved that judicial loophole with the Poland Act. This law stated that all polygamy cases would be tried in federal courts with federally appointed judges. This way, Mormon judges or juries couldn't just dismiss the cases.
In 1882, the Edmunds Act made unlawful cohabitation a crime, and anyone who broke the law could be imprisoned for six months. Unlawful cohabitation was a much easier judicial standard to prove than bigamy or polygamy, because prosecutors didn't have to provide evidence of a marriage.
In 1887, Congress passed the Edmunds-Tucker Act in a final attempt to drive the nail in the coffin of polygamy. This act accomplished three things:
It disfranchised (took the vote away from) all the women of Utah and polygamous men.
It froze all the Church's assets in excess of $50,000, basically bankrupting the Church and crippling its missionary efforts.
It declared all children of plural marriages to be illegitimate in the eyes of the government.
When the Supreme Court declared that this law was constitutional, the Mormons knew that continuing plural marriage could result in the government closing down their temples and threatening the very survival of the Church. Faced with this terrible situation, President Wilford Woodruff issued a document (now known as the Woodruff Manifesto) in 1890 ending the practice of plural marriage. Although the manifesto is included in every Mormon's collection of scriptures as part of the Doctrine and Covenants (D&C), they refer to it as an official declaration rather than a revelation, and God isn't mentioned in it at all.
Polygamy in Mormon History
Sep 26, 2013
The mormans practices and beliefs are based mainly on the old system-so to speak which is in the Old Testament section of the Holy Bible.
Before Jesus Christ arrived to this world and fulfilled Bible prophesies which are written in the old testament books of Isaiah, Micah and Zechariah to name a few, the Lord chose the Jewish people to be the guiding light for the rest of the world BUT .....
My point is that Christianity starts with the arrival and eventual establishment of Jesus ministry in the book of Act.
Anybody with a Bible today is a Christian.
The Lord does not dwell in a Temple anymore and Jesus Christ is the only way to the Salvation.
Prophets, temple, tithing are all part of the old system, plural wives actually muslims and Arab cultures and practices accept this as the morn.
To all the Christian brothers and sisters out there,
LOVE is the word and fight temptations wholeheartedly.
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
Sep 26, 2013
Lol, manaia fo'i le manogi o lau mosooi ...
Alright I got it now that to love is to have more than one woman ha ha ha
No wonder why the mamona enjoy the practice and in fact to have an orange, mango, kuava etc altogether is pleasureable.
I can't see any reason why not!
Sep 27, 2013
Ha ha ha....Se malo booby bear, faimai leisi koeaiga, e kaga le fai ae leaga pe a maua.
E sao ai Oka Fauolo ga alu e asiasi I Tafaigata I le prison ae fesili ifo i ai le pagota po'o lea se mea gate faia e le sala soo ai, ae faimai Olo.
E leai a se ese'esega o kou mea ga e fai ma makou mea foi e fai.
Pau a le ese'esega ua maua oukou ae le maua makou....malo le eva.
-- Edited by mosooi on Friday 27th of September 2013 04:24:54 AM
There is no way to peace; peace is the way.
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