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RE: Tui Manu'a title can it be pulled out of the grave and bestowed?


I wonder if they should use the constitution to demand their traditional title back
Even jf it doesnt have the power it did
The hawaiin queen signed over hawaii at gunpoint
Would tuimanua or any matai destroy their ancestors title by chojce
Think about it
But it is manuas choice and their battle for indigenous rights


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Tupu tafa'ifa:
Talu ai o loo ta i ai i Manu'a, o se tasi lene talitonuga e talia gata e le falefa o Tumua ae maise fo'i o le usoga a Puleono i Salafai. O le talitonuga lenei o loo talitonu i ai nisi o Manu'a, e faapea o Manu'a lava le faapogai o le tupu tafa'i fa i Samoa e oo mai i le taimi nei e ui e leai se isi o loo ia toe umia uma nei ia suafa tetele.

O lea talitonuga ona o le alo o Saveasi'uleo, le tamaitai o Na-na-i-le-fanua poo Nafanua e pei ona lauiloa ai, e le gata na ia manumalo i le taua o le a'ea i sasa'e ma le a'ea i sisifo, ao ia fo'i e toatasi na ulua'i umia Ao poo Papa e fa mai taua na saili malo ai itumalo tetele nei e fa o Upolu ia te ia:
Tui-Atua
Tui-Aana
Gatoaitele
Vaetamasoalii

Manatua fo'i, e tupu mai le taua lea i le a'ea i sasa'e ma sisifo, ua gagaifo le la i le soifua o le toeaina o Saveasi'uleo ma toe lava o lona afafine o Nafanua i le aiga. E faapea la Manu'a, o Pulotu i na ona aso poo Manu'a i nei aso na faafailele ai le aiga o Saveasi'uleo ma se tasi o le masaga piilua o Tilafaiga faatasi ai ma lo la alo o Nafanua. E moni la e le oni gafa tau eleele o Manu'a Saveasi'ulea ma Tilafaiga, ae o Manu'a lava na fofoa ai le aiga ma tapu'e ai le soifuaga sailimalo e pei ona manumalo ai. O se tasi lea mau.

Se upu ua laa vale, matua atu iina.




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Faafetai tofa mamao ae maise o le aga'i i luma o lenei mafutaga. O se faaopoopo atu ia Fo'isia; e faapea na agaleagaina e Tuiolosega lenei auauna ae ina ua logo tala o le a siitaua mai le Tuimanu'a, na o le pau lava lea o le tagata na toe tapa i ai Tuiolosega, o Fo'isia.

O nisi mau na i ai Fo'isia i le taua ae o isi mau e le'i talia e Fo'isia le fanoga o Tuiolosega o le ala lea na oso fuli fao ai i le sami ma liu maa ai.

A ua sala uta ia tonu tai.







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Faafetai ile faasoa i lau tofa le to'oto'o, ae a le aga'i i luma ole ta mafutaga. Fai mai le tala, sa fai le taua i Manu'a na 'au faatasi ai le Tuiolosega o Olosega, ma Fo'isia o Ofu. Ua alualu le taua, ua faia'ina Tuiolosega, ae musu ia Fo'isia e to'ilalo, tofu loa i le sami, liu papa loa i gatai o Ofu. Fai mai le tala, o lalo la ole ma'a lea o Fo'isia, e iai le vao li'ili'i. A lolo'u le vao li'ili'i i sisifo, ona afio lea o le Tuimanu'a e asi le Tuiatua, le Tuia'ana, ma le Malietoa. Ae a lolo'u le vao li'ili'i i sasa'e, ona afio lea o le Tuimanu'a e asi le Tuitoga, Tuifiti Tuiuea, ma le atu tui. Se upu ua sala, lafo i fogavaa tele, soifua.

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Mafuaaga o le motu o Olosega

O se tasi lenei mau i le mafuaaga o le motu o Olosega i le atu Manu'a. O le auso e toatolu o Olotele, Olovalu ma le laititi o Olosega. O le auso lenei e faapea le tala o nisi nei o mauga sa fai ma sili'aga o le taua i taimi e osofa'ia ae e ni fili le toa i ia vaitimi o Mageafaiga. O mauga la nei poo le auso lenei sa nonofo mai luga a'e o o le afioaga o Aoloau e tuaoi ma Asu ma o i la sa faapea le tala e mu ai le afi a lenei fo'i toa o Tutuila.

O le mea ua tupu soo se taimi lava o le taua, e tigaina lava si uso laititi o Olosega ae a malo se taua e le mafai ona aliali lona tumua'i i luga na o Olotele lava ma Olovalu. Ae a faiaina se taua, e fasi toalua e le auso matutua le uso laititi o Olosega. Ua avea lea ma mea ua le fiafia ai loa Olosega ma faatonu loa le i'a o le fai ina toso ese ia ua le fia mafuta i ona uso matutua. Ua fai le galuega a le fai ma a malolo le fai ae fai atu Olosega, toso pea a'u ona o lea lava ou te iloaina atu Olotele ma Olovalu. O le tosoga lea na matofi ese ai se isi vaega o Olosega ma o le vaega lea na maua ai le isi tama'i motu o loo taua o Aunu'u e oo mai i nei aso.

Ua iloa mai e le aitu o le sami le mea o loo tupu ona sau loa toso Olosega ma ina ua le mafai lava ona toe iloa mai e Olosega ona uso, faatoa tuu loa e le aitu o le sami Olosega. Ma o loo taoto ai nei la Olosega i le itu i sasa'e o Ofu i le atu Manu'a e oo mai le taimi nei.






-- Edited by booby bear on Saturday 30th of June 2012 11:05:56 AM

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Faafetai tamasamoamoni ma e moni e le tau paopaoina faatupe ua muli o le taulafoga upu ma sa o le atunuu, o mamalu ua mae'a ona tapu e i latou sa mua i malae.

E leai fo'i se tautai e atoa i ai atu i lona liu ona o Samoa o le atunuu mamala. A'o se tasi o mau e faapea a fonoa malae o Fitiuta, na o Ta'u e i ai lona pou i le Faleula tau tagata. E faapena fo'i pe a fonoa malae o Ta'u e na o Fitiuta fo'i e i ai lona pou i le Faleula tau aitu.

Fitiuta:
Afio mai Galea'i ma le falefia o alii.
Susu mai Ma'opu ma usoalii.
Maliu mai to'oto'o o le Faleula tauaitu.

Se upu ua sala, faatafea i le auau o le vasa tele.



Faafetai saunoa fetalai. Ma, fai mai le atunuu, e iai le matau lau ulu, e iai le matau upu. Ma, oute matau atu, e leai, o oe ole vaa ua mafa totoga, ua mafa tautai. Oute le masani tele i mea faa Manu'a, ae afai e iai se pou o Ta'u i Fitiuta, ma faapena Fitiuta i Ta'u, ua tatau, leaga fo'i o Ta'u ma Fitiuta ole au uso tu ofe. Ole mea fo'i lea e afio ai le Tuimanu'a i Ta'u ma Fitiuta, ma e ese le suafa ole Tuimanu'a i Ta'u ese le suafa i Fitiuta e fata ai le Tuimanu'a(tulou), a o le Tuimanu' lava e tasi. O se fesoasoani faatauvaa lena ae a le ta mataupu ua fola ile mamea. Afai foi ua sipa le lamaga, talitonu o oe ole matua faitama, e magalo ai se faamatalaga, soifua.






E matau atu fo'i tamasamoamoni o oe o le tootoo uli o le faleula ma e faamalo atu fo'i le tofa mamao.

E le o a'u foi ose Manu'a a'o fetufaaiga e aoga i le au faitau ma faatupu manatu.

I do believe the title Tuimanu'a must be bestowed but that comes with a brain of some philosopher of the Manu'a people itself lol




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Faafetai tamasamoamoni ma e moni e le tau paopaoina faatupe ua muli o le taulafoga upu ma sa o le atunuu, o mamalu ua mae'a ona tapu e i latou sa mua i malae.

E leai fo'i se tautai e atoa i ai atu i lona liu ona o Samoa o le atunuu mamala. A'o se tasi o mau e faapea a fonoa malae o Fitiuta, na o Ta'u e i ai lona pou i le Faleula tau tagata. E faapena fo'i pe a fonoa malae o Ta'u e na o Fitiuta fo'i e i ai lona pou i le Faleula tau aitu.

Fitiuta:
Afio mai Galea'i ma le falefia o alii.
Susu mai Ma'opu ma usoalii.
Maliu mai to'oto'o o le Faleula tauaitu.

Se upu ua sala, faatafea i le auau o le vasa tele.



Faafetai saunoa fetalai. Ma, fai mai le atunuu, e iai le matau lau ulu, e iai le matau upu. Ma, oute matau atu, e leai, o oe ole vaa ua mafa totoga, ua mafa tautai. Oute le masani tele i mea faa Manu'a, ae afai e iai se pou o Ta'u i Fitiuta, ma faapena Fitiuta i Ta'u, ua tatau, leaga fo'i o Ta'u ma Fitiuta ole au uso tu ofe. Ole mea fo'i lea e afio ai le Tuimanu'a i Ta'u ma Fitiuta, ma e ese le suafa ole Tuimanu'a i Ta'u ese le suafa i Fitiuta e fata ai le Tuimanu'a(tulou), a o le Tuimanu' lava e tasi. O se fesoasoani faatauvaa lena ae a le ta mataupu ua fola ile mamea. Afai foi ua sipa le lamaga, talitonu o oe ole matua faitama, e magalo ai se faamatalaga, soifua.



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Faafetai tamasamoamoni ma e moni e le tau paopaoina faatupe ua muli o le taulafoga upu ma sa o le atunuu, o mamalu ua mae'a ona tapu e i latou sa mua i malae.

E leai fo'i se tautai e atoa i ai atu i lona liu ona o Samoa o le atunuu mamala. A'o se tasi o mau e faapea a fonoa malae o Fitiuta, na o Ta'u e i ai lona pou i le Faleula tau tagata. E faapena fo'i pe a fonoa malae o Ta'u e na o Fitiuta fo'i e i ai lona pou i le Faleula tau aitu.

Fitiuta:
Afio mai Galea'i ma le falefia o alii.
Susu mai Ma'opu ma usoalii.
Maliu mai to'oto'o o le Faleula tauaitu.

Se upu ua sala, faatafea i le auau o le vasa tele.




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o se tasi lenei o faalupega o TA'U sa ma fefaasoaai ai ma se tasi mai lea fo'i itu o le atunuu.

Afio le Tuimanu'a, o le la'au na amotasi
Susu mai Fa'atuiolemotu(Sotoa ma Lefiti)
Susu mai Sotoa, o ia o le Vaimagalo, o le tama a le malo
Susu mai Lefiti ma Pupualii
Fetalaiga ia te outou to'oto'o o le Faleula tau aitu ma tau tagata
Alala foi upu ia te oe le Faletolu
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If there is no more Tuimanu'a, is this sort of faalupega still valid till this day? How can you faalupe Tuimanu'a when in fact there is no such thing exist?



E le a'oa'ia e le matapia le manaia, ae ua na'o se fesoasoani lava. O Ta'u ole fale tau tagata, a o Fitiuta, ole fale tau aitu. E iai upu a le atunuu ua tatou masani iai e fa'apea, "o Samoa ole atunuu ua tofi, e le o se atunuu taliola". O fa'alupega ole atunuu ua ma'ea ona tu'umatamaga, e tumau lava se'ia mavae atu lenei lalolagi. Ole mea lena ua vave ona tapuni ai le ato pa'u a leisi tagata, ole fia aleale, ma le fia suia o mea ua uma ona fa'ata'atia ma fa'ataoto e o outou tua'a ma o matou matua ua sagamaiapouli. MANU'A, Afio le la'au na amo tasi, fa'atui ma to'oto'o ole fale tau aitu ma tau tagata, ma upu ia te oe tama ole Manu'atele. I think that we faalupe the Tuimanu'a because it's in remembrance of a great king of Samoa. As a matter of fact, all the great kings of the past no longer exist, but their valor, bravery, and great deeds are, like the Tuimanu'a, remembered in the faalupega's. No one all of a sudden appeared in the faalupega's of the country, it's called, saili malo. Se upu ua sala, ufiufi a manu gase.

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o se tasi lenei o faalupega o TA'U sa ma fefaasoaai ai ma se tasi mai lea fo'i itu o le atunuu.

Afio le Tuimanu'a, o le la'au na amotasi
Susu mai Fa'atuiolemotu(Sotoa ma Lefiti)
Susu mai Sotoa, o ia o le Vaimagalo, o le tama a le malo
Susu mai Lefiti ma Pupualii
Fetalaiga ia te outou to'oto'o o le Faleula tau aitu ma tau tagata
Alala foi upu ia te oe le Faletolu
...

If there is no more Tuimanu'a, is this sort of faalupega still valid till this day? How can you faalupe Tuimanu'a when in fact there is no such thing exist?



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That is how stupid the manu'a people were to get rid of their highest title. They should've told the americans to go jump. But on the other hand, if the Tui Manu'a comes back to life, it would create all sorts of traditional rivalry with Tutuila, whose chiefs would feel ....ahem... inadequate lmao






Hahahahaha

I just thought it was to do with English understanding. Imagine no one from the whole of the Manu'a islands including Tuimanu'a had the skill and knowledge to dismantle the parcel, constitution, so the aganuu and Faa-Samoa fits in properly. In doing so, the Tuimanu'a still exercise his role as chief of Manu'a while politically govern by the US.











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That is how stupid the manu'a people were to get rid of their highest title. They should've told the americans to go jump. But on the other hand, if the Tui Manu'a comes back to life, it would create all sorts of traditional rivalry with Tutuila, whose chiefs would feel ....ahem... inadequate lmao

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This is another history or a golden piece of history not to be buried.

Yes Tuimanu'a was one of the highest in it's time and who knows ...

E le mafai ona atoa pou o le fale tau aitu ma le fale tau tagata o le Tuimanu'a pe a leai se Tuimanu'a. E moni o Faatui ma le Auva'a o To'oto'o ae o le leai o se Tuimanu'a e mamalu ai faiga mea a lea fo'i vaega o le atunuu, ua na ose va'a e leai se ama lol




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Yes I think they can and shoul;d. Tuimanu'a title was the highest title in the Samoan archipeligo for thousand so years, and for the title to be restricted is a travesty. Free the Tuimanu'a.

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According to some records in the 1900s, Tuimanu'a Alalamua ceded the Manu'a islands to the Americans by signing the Deed of Succession. He signed this with an understanding that the title Tui Manu'a followed him in the grave because it contradicts with the constitution of the United States. Maybe he should have played his cards wise then hehehehe

This is more than 100 years ago.

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Now, if Tutuila and Manu'a change their political status in one way or another, can the title Tui Manu'a be pulled out of the grave and bestowed?



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