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RE: SU'A!


Hahahahaha!

Funny!

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Come on guys... some of the content posted is pretty rough, but here's my input:

Nafanua had 2 sons - Malietoa and Su'a. That's why they're called Malietoa - Kings of Upolu, and Su'a - Kings of Savaií.

My grandfather was Su'a Toe of Salelologa (Malaeta), he was actually my grandmother's brother but raised her son - my dad. My grandmother was Tupunatausi Aliítasi Su'a. The gafa in my possesion signed by Su'a Toe goes back about 20 generations.

Su'a of Malaeta are the true heirs of the Su'a name.

Hope this helps.

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I know it's been a number of years since this topic took off..but I am in need of some info regarding the lineage of Su'a.
My dad is Su'a Latu (1928), his father was the late Su'a Latu from Salelavalu. My dad was adopted by Su'a from his sister or niece (that I am not certain whether she was a sister or a niece to him) which my father did not grow up with his mum Fina'i.

I've always wondered who my grandparents were, especially my grandad and what were his connections to the name.

I've been told stories about how it came to be the Ali'i tu'ua of Salelavalu, something about three brothers who made a pact to see who would bare the first child or something a rather...

can you shed some light on this for me if possible.

much appreciated



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Why? Because they have or share genealogical connections..ties.

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WHy is it Su'a and Malietoa seem to go together everywhere in Samoa? THey must have been good buddies back in the day.

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Aua e te tautala i le mea e te le iloa, o le ulua'i Su'a o le kupu lea ga kausi e fa'asaleleaga. E le'i muamua gi Su'a mai Upolu, alu e su'e su'e lelei saunoa ai.

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nice guys,

Very interesting.

Thanks,love it all and Peace.

Malo lava le faasoa.

Sharing is caring, Educational and exciting.

God bless.

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True comment.

The Su'a is interesting and important, just as any other matai is important to every other family in samoa.


Manipulate,lies,truth,etc are all part of the history of anything.

Not every historian thinks alike.They might agree to a degree until perspectives cross.

We will never know the full truth of any matai name.

The story of Su'a and any other matai will always be passed down differently,depending on who is telling and who is hearing.

If someone claims to know it all,then good on them for attaining Gods special powers.

I can only say of what I see,study and know,and even then I know that thats not even 0000.10% of the truth behind full story of the Su'a.

But like you said ,it is interesting.

God bless and peace.

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SOSAI ma GEGE wrote:

Yes, the truth goes a long way to the BEGINNING. FA'AVAEGA OF SAMOA.



And the Su'a name is from Upolu.( Le Ma'opu ia Su'a - Taupou Ali'itasi) of Tiavea Aleipata is from the beginning FA'AVAEGA. Other Su'as in upolu I dont know, I just know my own family. Savaii was discovered after le faavaega. thats why im saying The SU'A name is from upolu.

-- Edited by SOSAI ma GEGE on Tuesday 5th of July 2011 06:58:52 PM

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Yes, the truth goes a long way to the BEGINNING. FA'AVAEGA OF SAMOA.

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Muilaepa tailele Salielegaoi wrote:

ALL Su'as Are the same.The only difference is The origin of Leautuliilagi(Aana) & descendants of Su'a(Savaii) have moved from one place to the other.

Everyone agrees that he came from aana side and his descendants ended up in Savaii.

But if his mum/Aunty took him with her ,(as Birth Name 'Leautuliilagi' son of her brother,Tolepaialii ) to Siumu to be with Atanoa,Then could it be there, where Atanoa named him Su'afaiga-Leautuliilagi?

CORRECT This is were the "Su'afaiga" Title/Suafa started.

Atanoa is the Tamalii (highest ranking chief name)of the village of Maninoa in the Siumu District.

CORRECT

Being a Tamalii of Maninoa and the uluai Atanoa(alo of the Asomua-ale-malama ),

I doubt very much that Atanoa would have left His own village of Maninoa, to go and stay in Satapuala to be with Aliitasi-nofoaefia.

CORRECT

Faalupega a Maninoa i Siumu(As in the 1984-85 methodist tusi Faalupega)

Note:That in Maninoa there is only one Ekalesia(Metotisi).If you want to lotu in another Ekalesia,you must Lotu Savali(Do so, but in another village)



Susu mai le aiga Sa Malietoa

Susu mai i laua matua Utuilagi ma Fuaoletoe'lau

Susu mai le tagata e tasi o Tupe Tanoaese,O le puipui o Sa Asomua o lau Susuga

Masuigamalie ma lau Falelima(Ese,Gau,Sepa,Faiva,Laulauafolasa)

Susu mai alo o Aliitasi (Taumuafono ma Luamanuvae)

SUSU MAI SU'A LE AUTULIILAGI

AFIO MAI ATANOA le alo o Asomua ma lau FALEFA(Leatigagalevalevale,Tevaseu,Lutuiola,SU'A).

Maliu mai Tuu'u ma Li'o ma le Alataua.


Note :Igoa ipu o Su'a = Logo i Taeao lelei

(Could this "Logo i Taeao Lelei" represent the Signifigance of change?(Leautuli to Su'a)

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I have writings to Support this story and the Mafuaga of The Su'a name,The reason for Aliitasis departure from Satapuala,etc, according to My Grandfather Atanoa from Maninoa and Also the Gafas of Atanoa(Tualataimalelagi) and Aliitasi(Lilomaiava) line From Before their birth,(Villages,etc) till now.Written in 1961 when he was 60 years of age.
Unfortunatelly,I must first gain permission from my old man who also holds a title of Su'a to reveal such information.Hence why I am holding back on giving out more,and putting it in Question form rather than just saying it.lol.

Please forgive me if I have offendended anyone and in any way.

Just another perspective on this issue.

God bless and Peace.

DO TELL...IT WOULD BE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR TO COMPARE NOTES AS I HAVE RESEARCH DONE OVER THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS...AT LEAST.

THE "SU'A" STORY HAS BEEN INTERPRETED IN SO MANY WAYS AND IT IS ALWAYS NICE TO SEE OTHERS VIEWS ABOUT IT...AND OFFENDING SOMEONE IS INEVITABLE ESPECIALLY WHEN A DISTORTED STORY HAS BEEN MANIPULATED BY THEIR ANCESTORS TO CEASE AN OPPORTUNITY AND PASSED DOWN TO THEM OVER THE MANY GENERATIONS AS TRUTH...WHEN IT ISN'T.

PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN HOW OTHERS FEEL ABOUT IT...THEY WILL FEEL WHATEVER THEY CHOOSE TO FEEL...I AM ONLY INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH AND HOW IT UNFOLDED OR UNFOLDS


-- Edited by Muilaepa tailele Salielegaoi on Wednesday 22nd of June 2011 07:50:30 PM





-- Edited by ilindahrox on Monday 4th of July 2011 09:10:48 PM

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my surname is also su'a, and my family come from savai'i in Faiaai (itu salega) .

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ALL Su'as Are the same.The only difference is The origin of Leautuliilagi(Aana) & descendants of Su'a(Savaii) have moved from one place to the other.

Everyone agrees that he came from aana side and his descendants ended up in Savaii.

But if his mum/Aunty took him with her ,(as Birth Name 'Leautuliilagi' son of her brother,Tolepaialii ) to Siumu to be with Atanoa,Then could it be there, where Atanoa named him Su'afaiga-Leautuliilagi?

Atanoa is the Tamalii (highest ranking chief name)of the village of Maninoa in the Siumu District.

Being a Tamalii of Maninoa and the uluai Atanoa(alo of the Asomua-ale-malama ),

I doubt very much that Atanoa would have left His own village of Maninoa, to go and stay in Satapuala to be with Aliitasi-nofoaefia.

Faalupega a Maninoa i Siumu(As in the 1984-85 methodist tusi Faalupega)

Note:That in Maninoa there is only one Ekalesia(Metotisi).If you want to lotu in another Ekalesia,you must Lotu Savali(Do so, but in another village)



Susu mai le aiga Sa Malietoa

Susu mai i laua matua Utuilagi ma Fuaoletoe'lau

Susu mai le tagata e tasi o Tupe Tanoaese,O le puipui o Sa Asomua o lau Susuga

Masuigamalie ma lau Falelima(Ese,Gau,Sepa,Faiva,Laulauafolasa)

Susu mai alo o Aliitasi (Taumuafono ma Luamanuvae)

SUSU MAI SU'A LE AUTULIILAGI

AFIO MAI ATANOA le alo o Asomua ma lau FALEFA(Leatigagalevalevale,Tevaseu,Lutuiola,SU'A).

Maliu mai Tuu'u ma Li'o ma le Alataua.


Note :Igoa ipu o Su'a = Logo i Taeao lelei

(Could this "Logo i Taeao Lelei" represent the Signifigance of change?(Leautuli to Su'a)


I have writings to Support this story and the Mafuaga of The Su'a name,The reason for Aliitasis departure from Satapuala,etc, according to My Grandfather Atanoa from Maninoa and Also the Gafas of Atanoa(Tualataimalelagi) and Aliitasi(Lilomaiava) line From Before their birth,(Villages,etc) till now.Written in 1961 when he was 60 years of age.
Unfortunatelly,I must first gain permission from my old man who also holds a title of Su'a to reveal such information.Hence why I am holding back on giving out more,and putting it in Question form rather than just saying it.lol.

Please forgive me if I have offendended anyone and in any way.

Just another perspective on this issue.

God bless and Peace.



-- Edited by Muilaepa tailele Salielegaoi on Wednesday 22nd of June 2011 07:50:30 PM

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LOL... that player's name is Matthew Sua. His father's name is Sua Ape (R.I.P uncle).

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E kusa ai ma le faafesili poo ai le Su'a e kele koe maualuga? O le kali o Su'a lea sa kaalo loga akalii i le au kilikiki a giusila vaikaimi o le 1990 - 1995. E ala ona maualuga le Su'a lea oga o ia le Samoa muamua i lea foi faagakama ga kaalo ai Ha!ha!. E o lau pesto ga siga

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cool ! we might be related ! lol
my daddy's dad is from Salelavalu, his name's Su'a Taulua, if that rings a bell. He's got family all over the place (which I don't know of) .. lol

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missyt wrote:

E lelei lou poto ae leaga lou faafia poto.... e pei oe!!
Vaai o Toeleapai la ua mento le ulu, e iu ga soo ai oe.

Pe igilisi pe leiloa igilisi, o le a le mea e maua ai.
Gao oe e fiafia e edit, copy, paste koe Recycle ou Lapisi.

Leai se moi.






TAI LAVA MO LOU FESOASOANI smile.gif

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E lelei lou poto ae leaga lou faafia poto.... e pei oe!!
Vaai o Toeleapai la ua mento le ulu, e iu ga soo ai oe.

Pe igilisi pe leiloa igilisi, o le a le mea e maua ai.
Gao oe e fiafia e edit, copy, paste koe Recycle ou Lapisi.

Leai se moi.

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ONLY THE TRUTH IS WANTED AND WILL BE 'MAGIGO' WHEN ALL YOUR 'PALAPALA' HAS CLEARED.

"The only Palapala you come and clear is where Sua Siapo lives.. coz ur family needs a descent place so desperate. That place is a non living condition for humans."

(ORIGINAL TOFIGA WAS TO GO TO FASITO'OUTA E FAI FE'AU A 'ALI'ITASI, FUATINO MA MELEGALENU'U...LIKE I SAID BEFORE, E LE'I PULE SE TIULI SE FALETI'O.

TIULI GOT BANISHED FOR 'MOE KOLO' BY THE FALEFITU (ORATORS) AND EVENTUALLY BECAME 'SU'A' IN SALELOLOGA, NOT FASITO'OUTA).

" When you're family are so wanted to owned something... ua lelava faifeau a lo matou aiga, even in Savaii doesnt want your bloodline there." Then this is the excused... MADE UP STORIES, so they can own something that they never had eva in their lifetime.
E taitai e Sua Siapo le sifi lafi ai ma oe i kua... Fai mai o outou o le Aiga Sa Sua, i repeat in SAVAII but not in Fasitoo-Uta.

E leai se Sao ole makou aiga e igoa ia Siaposuisui, afai ole Sao lena ole kou aiga... ia o SAVAII loga faasinomaga, e leo Fasitoo-Uta.

Afai o loo nofo o ia i Fasitoo-Uta i le mea e tau ole pala a.k.a TAUFUSI aua a timu o le taufusi le mea, ae le o Fogalepolo. O lana pule e gata mai i lona faletio.. pea o iai se mea i le taimi nei. A leai.. leitioa a manogi le mea e nofo ai...
Vage ai ma lona fia ALIITASI... oka!! o le Paumuku le mea. MAKAGA kauvalea.








LOL AND TYPICAL OF THE 'TIULI' LINE TO CALL THE SULI MONI LINE, NAMES LIKE 'PA'UMUKU', ETC BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING SUBSTANTIAL TO OFFER OR AN HONEST LEG TO STAND ON...SO I'LL STOP THERE, AS IT IS EVIDENT E KE LE MALAMALAMA SE ILIGISI KOE LEAGA KELE LOU SIPELA.

MA KO'AGA E LAU MAI PEA IGOA FA'APEA...E LE MAUA AI SE PA'UPA'U I OU UIGA.

YOU ACT AND SOUND LIKE A DONKEY, PAUA GA...

FA LAIA.


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IesuMoAu OKAY wrote:

I thought there is two different Su'a. The first Su'a that to do with the tatau that tatooed Tuia'ana Tamalelagi in the 1400's Queen Salamasina's father (Nafanua lived around this time), and Su'a-faiga in a later date in the 1600's, cause he was the brother of Fuatino that King Fonoti married to..






YES, I ALSO FOUND 'TIMELINE' DIFFERENCES BUT NOTICED THAT THIS PARTICULAR QUESTION ISN'T AS FAR-OFF AS MOST I'VE SEEN. NEVERTHELESS, IT IS STILL NOT EASY TO DATE...

THERE ARE SEVERAL KEY GENERATIONS OVER THIS 1400-1600 PERIOD THAT PROVIDE MARKERS...REFER TO GAFA

EXAMPLE:

'ALI'ITASI' (SU'A) BROTHER, TOEOLESULUSULU (ELDER) (CIRCA LATE 1500) HAD ONE SON, 'TO'ALEPAIALI'I' (LE-O'O) WHO HAD TWO SONS, 'SAITAEO' (LE-O'O) AND 'LEAUTULILAGI' (LE-O'O) THE YOUNGER.

'SAITAEO' HAD THREE CHILDREN, 'LAUMATALELEI' (TAMA), FUATINO' (TEINE) (WHO MARRIED 'FONOTI', DESCENDENT OF 'TUIA'ANA TAMALELAGI') AND 'MELEGALENU'U'.

NOTE:SOME GAFA HAVE 'SU'AFAIGA' AS A BROTHER OF 'FUATINO', WHERE QUESTION MARKS RAISED ARE INCORRECT...BUT WHAT EVENTUALLY REVEALED TO ME WAS AS FOLLOWS, BASED ON SEVERAL OTHER GAFA OF SOLID CONSISTENCY AND ACCURACY.

THE YOUNGER BROTHER, 'LE'AUTULILAGI' WAS EVENTUALLY ADOPTED TO HIS GRAND-AUNT , HER HIGHNESS 'ALI'ITASI' IS A DIRECT DESCENDANT OF THE ORIGINAL 'SU'A' (TATAU) , AT LEAST 4-5 GENERATIONS AFTER KING 'TUIA'ANA TAMALELAGI' AND QUEEN 'VAETOEIFAGA', HIS 10TH AND FINAL WIFE FROM THE TONGAN ROYAL FAMILY LINE (CIRCA 1400) AND QUEEN SALAMASINA'S MOTHER...WITH HER EVENTUAL CHILDREN, QUEEN "TAUFUA", KING 'FAUMUINA', ETC DOWN TO 'FONOTI' (CIRCA 1600)

'LE'AUTULILAGI' (LE-O'O) BECAME THE ORIGINAL 'SU'AFAIGA' TITLE HOLDER ('ALI'ITASI' CREATED 'SU'AFAIGA' AND BESTOWED)...AND HE IS ALSO THE ORIGINAL ANCESTOR OF THE TWO SONS 'UTOALUGA' AND 'TOLUMA'ANAVE' WHO ARE SULI MONI + 'TIULI' AND HIS SISTER, 'MANULELEIMALEFAGA' (TEINE) WHO WERE ADOPTED smile.gif

THE 'NAFANUA' LEGEND, ON THE OTHER HAND VARIES IN DATES IN MANY RECORDED STORIES TOO...BUT IN THE ABOVE CONTEXT, I DONT THINK IT IS TOO FAR-OFF, BUT SOME MIGHT THINK OTHERWISE...


AND THATS FINE TOO smile.gif






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ONLY THE TRUTH IS WANTED AND WILL BE 'MAGIGO' WHEN ALL YOUR 'PALAPALA' HAS CLEARED.

"The only Palapala you come and clear is where Sua Siapo lives.. coz ur family needs a descent place so desperate. That place is a non living condition for humans."

(ORIGINAL TOFIGA WAS TO GO TO FASITO'OUTA E FAI FE'AU A 'ALI'ITASI, FUATINO MA MELEGALENU'U...LIKE I SAID BEFORE, E LE'I PULE SE TIULI SE FALETI'O.

TIULI GOT BANISHED FOR 'MOE KOLO' BY THE FALEFITU (ORATORS) AND EVENTUALLY BECAME 'SU'A' IN SALELOLOGA, NOT FASITO'OUTA).

" When you're family are so wanted to owned something... ua lelava faifeau a lo matou aiga, even in Savaii doesnt want your bloodline there." Then this is the excused... MADE UP STORIES, so they can own something that they never had eva in their lifetime.
E taitai e Sua Siapo le sifi lafi ai ma oe i kua... Fai mai o outou o le Aiga Sa Sua, i repeat in SAVAII but not in Fasitoo-Uta.

E leai se Sao ole makou aiga e igoa ia Siaposuisui, afai ole Sao lena ole kou aiga... ia o SAVAII loga faasinomaga, e leo Fasitoo-Uta.

Afai o loo nofo o ia i Fasitoo-Uta i le mea e tau ole pala a.k.a TAUFUSI aua a timu o le taufusi le mea, ae le o Fogalepolo. O lana pule e gata mai i lona faletio.. pea o iai se mea i le taimi nei. A leai.. leitioa a manogi le mea e nofo ai...
Vage ai ma lona fia ALIITASI... oka!! o le Paumuku le mea. MAKAGA kauvalea.





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I luff at... this is wat happen. When people like and ur clan magao mea,

OK, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP...WE HAD 'EVERYTHING' YOU COULD ONLY IMAGINE...BEFORE YOUR ADOPTED ANCESTOR CAME INTO THE PICTURE MY DREAR...AND LET ME REMIND 'YOU'...HE HAD NOTHING. SO WHOSE THE 'MAGA'O MEA' AS YOU PUT IT??

kau sue gi mea e gogofo ai...went to the court then what happen?? the court sed.. Utuoaluga clan o e ai KAE.

INCORRECT. THE COURTS DID NOT SAY 'AI GAE' YOU SAID THAT LOL smile.gif

Go back to Savaii u belong there. U have no pule here in Fasitoo-Uta, Sua-Tiuli(Suli Moli) is the original owner of Fogalepolo...


INCORRECT. 'SU'A TIULI' OLE TAMA FAI

CORRECT. ORIGINAL TOFIGA WAS TO GO TO FASITO'OUTA E FAI FE'AU A 'ALI'ITASI, FUATINO MA MELEGALENU'U...LIKE I SAID BEFORE, E LE'I PULE SE TIULI SE FALETI'O.

TIULI GOT BANISHED FOR 'MOE KOLO' BY THE FALEFITU (ORATORS) AND EVENTUALLY BECAME 'SU'A' IN SALELOLOGA, NOT FASITO'OUTA.

Finished... Kapugi le case a Samoa Tel.. Yep you can teo the whole world Utuoaluga (Suli Moni) or whateva... and keep blamed the system just because you lost the case...

Excuse.. Excuse.. all ova the place.. Nice one!! Keep doing that, ke fiu ahh le maua ai sau paupau sissy.

Only a Loser like you cant swallow the truth and still fishing for more disaster... never rest, coz devil is ur bestfriend... Loves to make Pepelo, Fiakagaka, Magaomea i fanua o Aiga Sa Sua ae tou te le au iai.

INCORRECT. ONLY THE TRUTH IS WANTED AND WILL BE 'MAGIGO' WHEN ALL YOUR 'PALAPALA' HAS CLEARED.

Utuoaluga clan tofiga o Savaii... where Sua Siapo and you belongs. The story that you made about the new Tofiga was a SHAM... pepelo!! KALOFAE.

INCORRECT. YOU WISH.

So why bother? I wont go any further.. I rest my case. Fa laia Kapugi le case a Samoatel ma Digicel.

WHY BOTHER? IT IS IMPORTANT YOU UPHOLDER OF 'FALSEHOODS'

USO, ALU LE ATOA...LAGAI UA PE LOU TELEFONI, MA E LE'I TOTOGI LOU PILI.






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I luff at... this is wat happen. When people like you and ur clan magao mea, kau sue gi mea e gogofo ai... went to the court then what happen?? the court sed.. Utuoaluga clan o e ai KAE. Go back to Savaii u belong there. U have no pule here in Fasitoo-Uta, Sua-Tiuli(Suli Moli) is the original owner of Fogalepolo...


Finished... Kapugi le case a Samoa Tel.. Yep you can teo the whole world Utuoaluga (Suli Moni) or whateva... and keep blamed the system just because you lost the case...

Excuse.. Excuse.. all ova the place.. Nice one!! Keep doing that, ke fiu ahh le maua ai sau paupau sissy.

Only a Loser like you cant swallow the truth and still fishing for more disaster... never rest, coz devil is ur bestfriend... Loves to make Pepelo, Fiakagaka, Magaomea i fanua o Aiga Sa Sua ae tou te le au iai.

Utuoaluga clan tofiga o Savaii... where Sua Siapo and you belongs. The story that you made about the new Tofiga was a SHAM... pepelo!! KALOFAE.

So why bother? I wont go any further.. I rest my case. Fa laia Kapugi le case a Samoatel ma Digicel


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Saanapu-Tai wrote:

I completely understand sister, and you're 150 percent correct hehe. Every extended family has its conflict. I'm enjoying the content of this thread (invaluable information). I just don't want it to end based on personal vendetta and not on respect and consensus.

SA'O OE. 'PERSONAL VENDETA'...NO WAY...THE 'SU'A TIULI' LINE ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ABOUT THE TOFIGA I.E. THAT THEIR ANCESTOR WAS TO BE IN FASITOO'UTA, BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THEIR LINE, FAILED TO MENTION A FEW CRUCIAL DETAILS THAT CAUSED THEIR TOFIGA TO CHANGE FOR THEM...AND IS THE ROOT OF THE BACKLASH.

I ALSO MENTIONED IN A RECENT POST, THAT ANOTHER ANCESTOR IN MY LINE WAS 'USELESS' IN HIS ROLE AS THE "SU'A' WHOM CAUSED RECENT DESCENDANTS TO LOOSE LAND, COURT CASES, ETC BECAUSE HE DIDN'T FULFILL HIS OBLIGATION E PUIPUI LOGAIA TOFIGA.

(SIDE NOTE) THATS ONE THING THAT ANNOYS ME IS WHEN SOMEONE TAKES AUTHORITY AND USES IT FOR PERSONAL GAIN AE LE SI'I I LUGA LE AIGA AKOA!

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'ISN'T IT CRAZY HOW MUCH DAMAGE ONE PERSON/MOMENT IN TIME, CAN HAVE ON GENERATIONS DOWN THE LINE WHEN KEY 'TRUTHS' AREN'T KEPT?

AND WHAT CAN MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGING IS WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PARTICULAR FAMILY WITH A RICH HISTORICAL PAST, IT BECOMES A WHOLE NOTHER BALL GAME, A WEB OF ALL SORTS OF THINGS, WOVEN TOGETHER WITH SUPERGLUE LOL AND 'FRAY-AGE' IN SOME AREAS OF YOUR 'IE TOGA' (GAFA) THAT HAS TO BE DISCUSSED AND 'PUT RIGHT'.

ALSO IN TRUTH, NOT EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY WITH ANY CONSENSUS, ETC AS THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ONE SIDE/GROUP/PERSON WHOSE 'POINT' IS DISCARDED...MY THING IS, AT LEAST GET THE BASIC STORY RIGHT (FOUNDATION) AND THEN THE BUILDING OF RELATIONSHIPS ARE SO MUCH MORE SIMPLER...IN THIS CASE, THIS AIGA WAS INITIALLY BUILT ON SOLID GROUND, THEN REPLACED WITH SAND AND IS BEING REPLACED WITH SOLID GROUND AGAIN smile.gif

'RESPECT' IS AT THE HEART OF MY DEBATE ALWAYS...BUT I HAVE MADE CLEAR TO MY OWN AIGA THAT...THIS THING CALLED 'FA'ALOALO' HAS TO BE BOTH WAYS AND NOT JUST BECAUSE THE PERSON IS OLDER THAN ME...BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE 'OLDER' IN SOME FAMILIES, IN AUTHORITY WHO ARE FA'AVALEVALEA...WHO ON BEHALF OF THE AIGA, MAKES STUPID 'DECISIONS' THAT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE WHOLE 'AIGA' GENERATIONS TO COME. THESE ONES ARE DANGEROUS...BUT AS FOR MAKING STUPID DECISIONS THAT EFFECT THEIR OWN 'PERSONAL' LIFE...IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS...NOT INTERESTED no.gif

Otherwise, this is no business of mine. Forgive the intrusion on my part.






APOLOGY UNNEEDED? THIS IS A DISCUSSION smile.gif

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I completely understand sister, and you're 150 percent correct hehe. Every extended family has its conflict. I'm enjoying the content of this thread (invaluable information). I just don't want it to end based on personal vendetta and not on respect and consensus.

Otherwise, this is no business of mine. Forgive the intrusion on my part.

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Saanapu-Tai wrote:

UGA wrote:

IN SOME CASES THE COURT DECISION ISNT RIGHT. DEBATING IT ON AN OPEN FORUM IS APPROPRIATE






I agree with you brother. BUT arguing along the lines of 'my family is better than yours' serves no constructive purpose whatsoever.

It sidetracks from the actual issue. The origins of the SU'A title and the elders who claim it.




UNFORTUNATELY THATS HOW SOME WILL TAKE IT ('MY FAMILY IS BETTER THAN YOURS')...THE INITIAL INTENTION WAS NOT ABOUT THAT...IT WAS ONLY 'POINTING' OUT A PARTICULAR PIECE OF A PUZZLE (SU'AFAIGA HISTORY (UTOALUGA/TOLUMA'ANAVE & TIULI)) THAT HAS BEEN 'HIDDEN' BY ONE ANCESTORS DESCENDANTS, INTEGRATING AND PROPAGANDIZING THIS 'DISCEIT' THROUGH THE GENERATIONS ONLY TO CLAIM AUTHORITY OVER ANOTHER, THE ONE WHO EMBRACED 'THEM' IN THE BEGINNING, DURING AND STILL TODAY??

AND SADLY FOR SOMEONE FROM THAT LINE AND QUITE NATURALLY, WONT LIKE IT WHEN IT IS BROUGHT TO THE LIGHT.

BUT REGARDLESS, THE 'SU'A TIULI' FAMILY ARE STILL AIGA, AND THAT WONT CHANGE (UNFORTUNATELY FOR SOME)

ALL IS WELL...






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UGA wrote:

IN SOME CASES THE COURT DECISION ISNT RIGHT. DEBATING IT ON AN OPEN FORUM IS APPROPRIATE






I agree with you brother. BUT arguing along the lines of 'my family is better than yours' serves no constructive purpose whatsoever.

It sidetracks from the actual issue. The origins of the SU'A title and the elders who claim it.

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