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Masiofo

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Faavae i le Atua Samoa - is this still relevant today?
 


My parents are both from Samoa and moved to New Zealand some years ago where I have lived all my life.

I come from a strong Church background, I LOVE the Lord with all my heart - but I'll be the first to say that I'm FAR from being perfect... however Christianity plays a huge role in my life and it's really where I draw all my strength from to get by day to day.

My life story aside, I suppose I just wanted to ask your opinion on Samoa's motto. I'm not saying that the motto is irrelevant, in fact with all my heart I hope this is still how samoans feel from the homeland. All I'm wondering is how you feel about this.

As for me, I do not see this motto referring to just samoans that come/are born in Samoa (even though that's what it might mean), but I see it as referring to samoans all over the world. And in saying that, I would like to say that this IS still relevant today.

Thoughts?

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Anonymous

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Masiofo wrote:

My parents are both from Samoa and moved to New Zealand some years ago where I have lived all my life.

I come from a strong Church background, I LOVE the Lord with all my heart - but I'll be the first to say that I'm FAR from being perfect... however Christianity plays a huge role in my life and it's really where I draw all my strength from to get by day to day.

My life story aside, I suppose I just wanted to ask your opinion on Samoa's motto. I'm not saying that the motto is irrelevant, in fact with all my heart I hope this is still how samoans feel from the homeland. All I'm wondering is how you feel about this.

As for me, I do not see this motto referring to just samoans that come/are born in Samoa (even though that's what it might mean), but I see it as referring to samoans all over the world. And in saying that, I would like to say that this IS still relevant today.

Thoughts?









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Talofa Masiofo!!!

Just wonder who is the king then to start with lol ???



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Masiofo

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O Iesu le tupu!biggrin.gif

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Anonymous

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oh well masiofo...look around you ...too many lotus and new lotus...people are so confused nowadays....hehe However dont be discouraged... if Jesusz the King then good on u...and our Motto will always be "Faavae le Atua Samoa" biggrin.gif,, U hav a plsnt day biggrin.gif

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Anonymous

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its is true there are alot if new churches opening with difference beliefs in what the bible says.
all i knoe is that that the lord always comes first in my life..he has done great wonders for me and my

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The Tautua Samoa Party is taking legal action to counter a decision by the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly to order by-elections for its nine members.
The Speakers decision was delivered in Parliament yesterday when it reconvened for the Minister of Finance, Niko Lee Hangs much-anticipated 2009-2010 budget.

The decision reversed Speaker Tolofuaivalelei Falemoe Leiatauas previous ruling which indicated it was acceptable for members of the party to continue as MPs since their party was not officially registered and recognised in Parliament.
Members of Tautua have created their party outside Parliament.
Its members are: Lealailepule Rimoni Aiafi (Faleata West); Fuimaono Naoia Tei (Falealili); Levaopolo Talatonu (Gagaemauga No.2); Motuopuaa Uifagasa Aisoli (Vaisigano No. 2); Aeau Penamina (Falealupo); Vaai Papu Vailupe (Vaisigano No.1); Palusalue Faapo II (Safata); Mulipola Oliva Mulipola (Aiga I Le Tai) and Toluono Feti (Palauli).

In Parliament, they are recognised officially as Independents.
Yesterday, Tolofuaivalelei reiterated that under Standing Orders, any MP who shifts allegiance from one party to another during a parliamentary term automatically loses his or her seat and a by-election is called to fill that seat.

He said the Head of State, His Highness Tuiatua Tupua Tamasese Meaole, will be informed of his decisions.
When the by-elections will be held, he did not say as attempts to obtain clarification about his ruling were not successful.
The Tautua Party, however, immediately consulted their lawyer, Rosella Viane Papalii yesterday. What sort of legal action they will take is not known yet although an injunction application against the Speakers decision is highly likely.

Tautua Leader, Lealailepule Rimoni Aiafi said the Speakers decision was a surprise. He said it was a dirty political decision designed to destroy their party.
At this stage were all confused, Lealailepule told the Weekend Observer. We are still awaiting a written ruling of the decision. Unfortunately, hes left the office but hes instructed the clerk not to release the official decision. We dont really know whats happening apart from what hes told us that we have to have by-elections.

Tautua is not afraid of by-elections but that thought will not be entertained until their party has decided where to go to next.
I can tell you this much, were not worried beca
use we know we have the law and we are prepared to take this matter to the high court until we get a solution.

Lealailepule said yesterdays decision was designed to divert attention from a budget poorly designed which highlights bad governance.
He said the budget clearly shows the deteriorating state of the economy, the cost of living continuing to skyrocket and mounting debts.
On top of that, the real cost of the road switching is beginning to emerge.

The government told us it was only going to cost $4 million, Lealailepule said. If you look at the budget, they are allocating $7million for the switch and on top of that, they are giving the Land Transport Authority $46million. Thats an indication of just how much this switch is going to cost us.
So we feel that this decision (by the Speaker) is a cleverly calculated move to divert attention from the budget. Anybody Samoan should feel ashamed about such tactics. It doesnt reflect very well on the reputation we have built in the world.

It has cheapened the integrity of our Parliament and Members of Parliament.
Tautua Member Motuopuaa said the Speakers decision shows the kind of democracy we have in Samoa.
It is a reflection this is not a true democracy in every essence of the word, Motuopuaa said. It shows bad governance fuelled by greed and dirty politics.

Former HRPP Cabinet Minister Palusalue Faapo II said the decision was worse than what Frank Bainimarama has done to Fiji.
I want to thank the Speaker for his decision today because it has given our party official recognition. I hope he is happy now because this is what hes always wanted from the beginning. He has always wanted to destroy this party.

But Lealailepule is adamant that will not happen.
We are obviously a threat to them, thats why they are resorting to these tactics, said Lealailepule. I want to assure them that we will not give up easily, we will go down fighting and we will die as Tautua Members.

Former Speaker and Tautua Member, Aeau Peniamina said he was deeply disappointed.
My only question is what important purpose will this (decision) serve for our people and country? he said.
All it has done is cheapened the integrity of our Parliament. It has violated the rights of every member of these nine constituencies whose constitutional rights have been blatantly ignored.

Aeau said the law is a commandment for the foolish.
The Tautua Party called on their supporters to remain calm.
There is nothing to be alarmed about at this stage, Lealailepule said.
We want to thank you for your support and we assure you that this is not the end of this matter. This is the beginning and we are prepared to take it as far as we can so that justice we deserve can be served.

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Anonymous

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Anonymous wrote:

The Tautua Samoa Party is taking legal action to counter a decision by the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly to order by-elections for its nine members.
The Speakers decision was delivered in Parliament yesterday when it reconvened for the Minister of Finance, Niko Lee Hangs much-anticipated 2009-2010 budget.

The decision reversed Speaker Tolofuaivalelei Falemoe Leiatauas previous ruling which indicated it was acceptable for members of the party to continue as MPs since their party was not officially registered and recognised in Parliament.
Members of Tautua have created their party outside Parliament.
Its members are: Lealailepule Rimoni Aiafi (Faleata West); Fuimaono Naoia Tei (Falealili); Levaopolo Talatonu (Gagaemauga No.2); Motuopuaa Uifagasa Aisoli (Vaisigano No. 2); Aeau Penamina (Falealupo); Vaai Papu Vailupe (Vaisigano No.1); Palusalue Faapo II (Safata); Mulipola Oliva Mulipola (Aiga I Le Tai) and Toluono Feti (Palauli).

In Parliament, they are recognised officially as Independents.
Yesterday, Tolofuaivalelei reiterated that under Standing Orders, any MP who shifts allegiance from one party to another during a parliamentary term automatically loses his or her seat and a by-election is called to fill that seat.

He said the Head of State, His Highness Tuiatua Tupua Tamasese Meaole, will be informed of his decisions.
When the by-elections will be held, he did not say as attempts to obtain clarification about his ruling were not successful.
The Tautua Party, however, immediately consulted their lawyer, Rosella Viane Papalii yesterday. What sort of legal action they will take is not known yet although an injunction application against the Speakers decision is highly likely.

Tautua Leader, Lealailepule Rimoni Aiafi said the Speakers decision was a surprise. He said it was a dirty political decision designed to destroy their party.
At this stage were all confused, Lealailepule told the Weekend Observer. We are still awaiting a written ruling of the decision. Unfortunately, hes left the office but hes instructed the clerk not to release the official decision. We dont really know whats happening apart from what hes told us that we have to have by-elections.

Tautua is not afraid of by-elections but that thought will not be entertained until their party has decided where to go to next.
I can tell you this much, were not worried beca
use we know we have the law and we are prepared to take this matter to the high court until we get a solution.

Lealailepule said yesterdays decision was designed to divert attention from a budget poorly designed which highlights bad governance.
He said the budget clearly shows the deteriorating state of the economy, the cost of living continuing to skyrocket and mounting debts.
On top of that, the real cost of the road switching is beginning to emerge.

The government told us it was only going to cost $4 million, Lealailepule said. If you look at the budget, they are allocating $7million for the switch and on top of that, they are giving the Land Transport Authority $46million. Thats an indication of just how much this switch is going to cost us.
So we feel that this decision (by the Speaker) is a cleverly calculated move to divert attention from the budget. Anybody Samoan should feel ashamed about such tactics. It doesnt reflect very well on the reputation we have built in the world.

It has cheapened the integrity of our Parliament and Members of Parliament.
Tautua Member Motuopuaa said the Speakers decision shows the kind of democracy we have in Samoa.
It is a reflection this is not a true democracy in every essence of the word, Motuopuaa said. It shows bad governance fuelled by greed and dirty politics.

Former HRPP Cabinet Minister Palusalue Faapo II said the decision was worse than what Frank Bainimarama has done to Fiji.
I want to thank the Speaker for his decision today because it has given our party official recognition. I hope he is happy now because this is what hes always wanted from the beginning. He has always wanted to destroy this party.

But Lealailepule is adamant that will not happen.
We are obviously a threat to them, thats why they are resorting to these tactics, said Lealailepule. I want to assure them that we will not give up easily, we will go down fighting and we will die as Tautua Members.

Former Speaker and Tautua Member, Aeau Peniamina said he was deeply disappointed.
My only question is what important purpose will this (decision) serve for our people and country? he said.
All it has done is cheapened the integrity of our Parliament. It has violated the rights of every member of these nine constituencies whose constitutional rights have been blatantly ignored.

Aeau said the law is a commandment for the foolish.
The Tautua Party called on their supporters to remain calm.
There is nothing to be alarmed about at this stage, Lealailepule said.
We want to thank you for your support and we assure you that this is not the end of this matter. This is the beginning and we are prepared to take it as far as we can so that justice we deserve can be served.




Tautua doesnt have to understand: PM

In reply to what the Tautua Party said about the stimulus package idea voiced by Prime Minister Tuilaepa Lupesoliai Sailele Malielegaoi, which they said is unsatisfactory, Tuilaepa said they dont have to understand.

Tuilaepa revealed that Lealailepule Rimoni Aiafi and Palusalue Faapo II do not understand the meaning of the issue he explained to the media because they cant plant taro.

They just roam around town with the other one driving the other ones car, Tuilaepa said. They dont know what Im talking about because they cant plant taro.

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SOSAI

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O LO TATOU ATUA, E SILISILI ESE

Means:-NONE OTHER
NONE BEFORE
NONE AFTER
LE ATUA E FA'AVAVAU
FOR EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

UNLESS YOU CHANGE IT TO:- Fa'avae ile Aganu'u Fa'asamoa?

IA MANUIA!

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Anonymous

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O LAU AGANU'U O LOU TOFI MAI I LE ATUA, YOU DO NOT ABUSE IT AND ALL IS FINE WITH YOU AND GOD. OK!

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SOSAI

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Anonymous wrote:

O LAU AGANU'U O LOU TOFI MAI I LE ATUA, YOU DO NOT ABUSE IT AND ALL IS FINE WITH YOU AND GOD. OK!



O LE MUA'I TOFI MONI LAVA NA AUMAI E LO TATOU ATUA I TAGATA UMA OLE LALOLAGI, OLE FAIA LEA O LONA FINAGALO! AE LE OSE AGNU'U.

Na'o se fesili lava fa'amolemole?

O i fea tonu le tusi ole TUSI PA'IA o lo'o i ai le fuaiupu lea, o lou tofi o lau aganu'u? Poo, lau aganu'u o lou tofi mai le ATUA ? Male fa'aaloalo lava i a te oe Anoni!

IA MANUIA OE



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Anonymous

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SOSAI wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

O LAU AGANU'U O LOU TOFI MAI I LE ATUA, YOU DO NOT ABUSE IT AND ALL IS FINE WITH YOU AND GOD. OK!



O LE MUA'I TOFI MONI LAVA NA AUMAI E LO TATOU ATUA I TAGATA UMA OLE LALOLAGI, OLE FAIA LEA O LONA FINAGALO! AE LE OSE AGNU'U.

Na'o se fesili lava fa'amolemole?

O i fea tonu le tusi ole TUSI PA'IA o lo'o i ai le fuaiupu lea, o lou tofi o lau aganu'u? Poo, lau aganu'u o lou tofi mai le ATUA ? Male fa'aaloalo lava i a te oe Anoni!

IA MANUIA OE




NA MUAMUA AU MAI E LE ATUA LE OLA SA'OLOTO E FAFATU AI SE AGANU'U
E TATOU TE TUA IAI, ONA FA'ATO'A IA FA'AILOA MAI AI LEA IA IESU KERISO LE TATOU
FA'AOLA MA FA'AMALAMALAMA IA TATOU LE MEA SESE MA LE MEA E SA'O. OLE PINE O
LA'U TALA, ONA E LE'I ILOA E TATOU LE ATUA AE LE'I O'O MAI ILE LALOLAGI LE TALA LELEI..

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Bride

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You dont make sense...unless you are talking about Samoa only in the past..they dont know God....because the Talaleleiz already here rite from the beginning...but because we disobey God and his word we are now condemn and thanks to our Lord Jesus who pay for our sins....yep he pay the price coz we cant afford it man!!!..we are just too weak and amiovalea to handle it hehehehehehe But that doesnt mean we should forget our precious culture and who we are...Because no matter wea we go in this world we are always identify as Samoan not a Palagi from Aussie. Oi Happy Independence Day Samoa ......is it? bahahahaha

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SOSAI

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Bride wrote:

You dont make sense...unless you are talking about Samoa only in the past..they dont know God....because the Talaleleiz already here rite from the beginning...but because we disobey God and his word we are now condemn and thanks to our Lord Jesus who pay for our sins....yep he pay the price coz we cant afford it man!!!..we are just too weak and amiovalea to handle it hehehehehehe But that doesnt mean we should forget our precious culture and who we are...Because no matter wea we go in this world we are always identify as Samoan not a Palagi from Aussie. Oi Happy Independence Day Samoa ......is it? bahahahaha



Well said Bride, exactly my point, GOD 1ST samoa 2ed

bless you all



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bride

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sosai your wrong totally wrong.

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SOSAI

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bride wrote:

sosai your wrong totally wrong.



IN WHICH WAY, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHIN!



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Bride

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stop using my name you egg..lol this is the real bride and im with you Sosai...hehehe!!!!

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BRIDE

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SOSAI I THE REAL BRIDE IM NOT WITH YOU SOSAI YOUR WRONGbiggrin.gif

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Tagi a le pu mate

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O samoa lava o lona favae o le ATUA. Pau lava si lagona, e lelei pe a toe faalautele lona faaupuina i le FAAVAE I LE ATUA O KERISIANO SAMOA, ona e pei ua tele isi talaiga ia ua ofi atu i totonu o Samoa ma ua foliga e ese foi isi atua o loo tapuai i ai. Ua oo atu foi le lotu Muslim ia e leo se lotu kerisiano lena lotu, a'o Samoa lava ia o le atunuu kerisiano, e tatau ai ona matua faamaoti le ituaiga Atua o loo tapuai i ai Samoa. O le Atua o Kerisiano.

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Anonymous

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Tagi a le pu mate wrote:

O samoa lava o lona favae o le ATUA. Pau lava si lagona, e lelei pe a toe faalautele lona faaupuina i le FAAVAE I LE ATUA O KERISIANO SAMOA, ona e pei ua tele isi talaiga ia ua ofi atu i totonu o Samoa ma ua foliga e ese foi isi atua o loo tapuai i ai. Ua oo atu foi le lotu Muslim ia e leo se lotu kerisiano lena lotu, a'o Samoa lava ia o le atunuu kerisiano, e tatau ai ona matua faamaoti le ituaiga Atua o loo tapuai i ai Samoa. O le Atua o Kerisiano.




Oute ofo i lou finagalo i lou le malie lava ile mea o lo'o ai nei "Fa'avae i le Atua Samoa". O lena e matua'i lava ma totoe le manino ma le malamalama o Samoa ole atunu'u kerisiano.. Ia ae pule ia lau susuga, o le a le mea e toe tau fa'aafaafa ai fua le alu e pei ona e saunoa iai e fa'apea: FAAVAE I LE ATUA O KERISIANO SAMOA, ae aua la le toe ta'ua ose Malo ia Samoa ae ta'u fa'apea: OLE EKALESIA KERISIANO O SAMOA..! Ea la, e mata ete malie i lena tonu.. lau susuga..? Tali mai ona fai lea ose tusi e ave aloa'ia ile Ao ole Malo ma le kapineta o Samoa e faao'o ai le faia o lou finagalo i lau susuga..

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Tagi a le pu mate

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Oka se manaia o lena faavae. Aua a ta'u loa ole ekalesia ia ua uma la! la! Aua o le Ekalesia, o le aiga paia o le Atua i le lalolagi. Ua matua malie atoatoa le finagalo o la'u susuga i lau tali mai. Ae o le a tuu atu ia te oe e te faia se tusi e faaoo atu i le Ao o le malo ma le kapeneta. A fia maua se fesoasoani i le faaupuina ole tusi, toe fesootai mai.

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Anonymous

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im samoan only 1/4 and i dont reely no my heritage
wat does Faavae i le Atua Samoa, and Samoa MuaMua LE Atua mean

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kerisiano

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THE QUESTION IS A VERY RELEVANT ONE IT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION SIMPLY BECAUSE AS MUCH AS WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE THIS, IT JUST DOES NOT SHOW IN THE DAILY LIVES OF SAMOANS. CULUTRE IS AN EXPRESSION OF WHO WE ARE, IF LANGUAGE IS CULTURE THEN IT IS HOW WE COME TO UNDERSTAND OURSELVES AND THE WORLD AROUND US. THE AGANUU IS THE LAWS AND PROTOCOLS WHICH HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE BY OUR FORFATHERS SO AS TO ENABLE SAMOANS TO LIVE IN HARMONY WITH EACH OTHER, AS WELL AS EXPRESSING OUR IDENTITY. FAAVAE I LE ATUA SAMOA IS A LOOSE STATEMENT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SPECIFY WHICH ATUA? YOU SIMPLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BAHAI FAITH IN SAMOA, THE MOSLEM FAITH IN SAMOA, THE MORMON AND MOLIMAU A IEOVA TO KNOW THAT!! I DONT THINK OUR FORFATHERS WHEN MAKING THIS STATEMENT "FAAVAE I LE ATUA SAMOA" ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER GODS COMING INTO SAMOA. I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY MEANT "FAAVAE I LE ATUA KERISIANO SAMOA" MY BELIEF IS THAT WITH ALL THAT IS GOING ON IN SAMOA AT PRESENT IT JUST CONFIRMS THE CONFUSION NOT ONLY IN OUR BELIEFS BUT IN SOCIETY IN GENERAL. HOWEVER IN SAYING THAT I AM SAMOAN AND WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO PRAY AND SUPPORT MY COUNTRY OF ORIGIN AND ITS PEOPLE WHERE EVER THEY ARE. ' FAAVAE I LE ATUA KERISIANO SAMOA" IA MANUIA.

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Anonymous

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E taua, ae ona ua tele mai lotu fou, ma a'oa'oga fou. Ua fifiloi faatasi ma le mea moni. O tagata ua fiafia ile suamalie ole ola faafifilemu. Ua tele foi le mau "Iesu" ua tele le mau leo... ua fafaigata ai e tagata poo fea le Iesu mo'i. E ui lava ua latou faapea o latou ua maua Iesu. A maua Iesu, ia e iloa poo e savali ile ala "maualalo". Ona e lagona lea le moni male suamalie moni ole ola foa'i atu, alofa atu, fa'asoa atu, mo le ola manuia o isi tagata, ae le mo se tatou manuia na'o i tatou lava.

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