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what is tai samasama mean?






Literal translation is "Yellow sea".

The 'Tai Samasama' is the traditional "malae" of the Tu'i Manu'a. Most malae are on land. This one happens to be in the sea between the islands of the Manu'an chain. Apparently the Tui Manu'a was too sacred to even share the same bit of soil with him, so orators had to address his orators over the 'holy sea' biggrin.gif

Why it is called the yellow sea depends on which district 'story' you believe in. The story I heard is that it turned yellow after a serious kava session between the Tui Manua and the Malietoa.



-- Edited by Tamaolemaa on Saturday 9th of January 2010 10:57:01 AM




Sole who are you reffering to as being scared? Could you explain yourself?

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Tamaolemaa wrote:

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what is tai samasama mean?






Literal translation is "Yellow sea".

The 'Tai Samasama' is the traditional "malae" of the Tu'i Manu'a. Most malae are on land. This one happens to be in the sea between the islands of the Manu'an chain. Apparently the Tui Manu'a was too sacred to even share the same bit of soil with him, so orators had to address his orators over the 'holy sea' biggrin.gif

Why it is called the yellow sea depends on which district 'story' you believe in. The story I heard is that it turned yellow after a serious kava session between the Tui Manua and the Malietoa.



-- Edited by Tamaolemaa on Saturday 9th of January 2010 10:57:01 AM




I hope your not trying to downgrade Tui Manu'a with your comment. You cant compare Malietoa & Tui Manu'a for they are both well known in Samoan History. People like you are the reason why Samoans turn against each other. Think before you speak ua i loa.

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Tui Manu'a Empire:

Tonga Scholar Dr Mahina:

Tonga including also Uvea, Niuatoputapu, Niuafo'ou were anciently unified under Samoan Domination (Tui Manu'a Empire). Tonga was later detached from Samoan Tutelage.

The info of Samoan rule over Tonga stated above was gathered by Dr Mahina from old Tongan Documents during the reign and under the authority of Tonga Queen Salote.

It seems Tonga is doing a good job on hiding this info lol naw we are all the same people. ONE LOVE

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Manuatele wrote:

Tamaolemaa wrote:

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what is tai samasama mean?






Literal translation is "Yellow sea".

The 'Tai Samasama' is the traditional "malae" of the Tu'i Manu'a. Most malae are on land. This one happens to be in the sea between the islands of the Manu'an chain. Apparently the Tui Manu'a was too sacred to even share the same bit of soil with him, so orators had to address his orators over the 'holy sea' biggrin.gif

Why it is called the yellow sea depends on which district 'story' you believe in. The story I heard is that it turned yellow after a serious kava session between the Tui Manua and the Malietoa.



-- Edited by Tamaolemaa on Saturday 9th of January 2010 10:57:01 AM




I hope your not trying to downgrade Tui Manu'a with your comment. You cant compare Malietoa & Tui Manu'a for they are both well known in Samoan History. People like you are the reason why Samoans turn against each other. Think before you speak ua i loa.




You see this is why you shouldn't jump to conclusions before you think first. If you had analysed what I said clearly, you would notice that I clearly said it was a "story" I heard from somewhere. I didn't say it was God's honest truth. I heard it from someone who affiliates to the Sa Malietoa, so obviously that guy is probably biased. Manu'a probably has a better idea of why it is called the Tai Samasama, so I'd bow to your greater knowledge. I don't have any real interest in it to be honest.

For the record, I don't have any interest in upgrading Malietoa's status. I am not from Tuamasaga. I am from Atua. The Tui Atua outranks Malietoa by probably a thousand years.

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I forgot the some of the story, but it goes something like this, There was this taupou named Sina who went by the seashore to sama with the lega, and when she was done, dried her self off and suddenly the moon came up and shone on her and she was shame, MA (because she was naked, tulou), so she jumped into the ocean, and the ocean became yellow from the sama with the lega, and they got the name of the moon, MA SINA, because Sina was Ma, shame, and you have the TAI SAMASAMA, which the Malietoa Uitualagi came to see, and had the ava on the ocean with the Tuimanu'a Lemamana, where the Malietoa got the name of his tanoa,(VASAVASAALOFI), and the name of his ie toga, (LAU TAAMU TAFEA). Se pati ua sala, ufiufi a manu gase, ma lafo i fogavaa tele, soifua.

-- Edited by tamasamoamoni on Monday 11th of January 2010 09:00:56 PM

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in humble opinion i believe the tai samasama of the tuimanua was there way before the malieotoa and tuimanua lemamana had their kava ceremony. ....I strongly believe that this ocean is located in the most eastern part of manua. It is our navigation point. It is where we determine our location. I believe our ancestors used the sun as a compass. Sasae and sisifo meaning sunrise and sunset. To map out our route we have to have a starting point or benchmark. We know for sure savaii gets the last sun. My point is when the sun rises that part of the manua ocean turns yellow. Hence the word TAISAMASAMA. In ancient time we didnt use compass to work out North instead we used the sun. i will elaborate more on that later. If i offended anyone i dont mean to. This is my opinion.

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Manuatele wrote:

Tamaolemaa wrote:

Java wrote:

what is tai samasama mean?






Literal translation is "Yellow sea".

The 'Tai Samasama' is the traditional "malae" of the Tu'i Manu'a. Most malae are on land. This one happens to be in the sea between the islands of the Manu'an chain. Apparently the Tui Manu'a was too sacred to even share the same bit of soil with him, so orators had to address his orators over the 'holy sea' biggrin.gif

Why it is called the yellow sea depends on which district 'story' you believe in. The story I heard is that it turned yellow after a serious kava session between the Tui Manua and the Malietoa.



-- Edited by Tamaolemaa on Saturday 9th of January 2010 10:57:01 AM




Sole who are you reffering to as being scared? Could you explain yourself?




Uso you gotta relax a bit. Tamaolema'a called Tuimanu'a SACRED not SCARED!!

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in humble opinion i believe the tai samasama of the tuimanua was there way before the malieotoa and tuimanua lemamana had their kava ceremony. ....I strongly believe that this ocean is located in the most eastern part of manua. It is our navigation point. It is where we determine our location. I believe our ancestors used the sun as a compass. Sasae and sisifo meaning sunrise and sunset. To map out our route we have to have a starting point or benchmark. We know for sure savaii gets the last sun. My point is when the sun rises that part of the manua ocean turns yellow. Hence the word TAISAMASAMA. In ancient time we didnt use compass to work out North instead we used the sun. i will elaborate more on that later. If i offended anyone i dont mean to. This is my opinion.




I did not say that the tai samasama started during the Malietoa Uitualagi and the Tuimanu'a reign. I say that The Malietoa Uitualagi wanted to see the tai samasama and so he traveled to Manu'a where they had the ava ceremony at sea. It was said that the legend of the tai samasama had spread far and wide, so much that when Uitualagi became the Malietoa, he wanted to see and witness this phenomenon first hand, so he traveled to Manu'a where the Tuimanu'a Lemamana was in power and that is when they had the socalled ava ceremony at sea. I was trying to keep the story short.

-- Edited by tamasamoamoni on Tuesday 12th of January 2010 02:41:03 PM

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I forgot the some of the story, but it goes something like this, There was this taupou named Sina who went by the seashore to sama with the lega, and when she was done, dried her self off and suddenly the moon came up and shone on her and she was shame, MA (because she was naked, tulou), so she jumped into the ocean, and the ocean became yellow from the sama with the lega, and they got the name of the moon, MA SINA, because Sina was Ma, shame, and you have the TAI SAMASAMA, which the Malietoa Uitualagi came to see, and had the ava on the ocean with the Tuimanu'a Lemamana, where the Malietoa got the name of his tanoa,(VASAVASAALOFI), and the name of his ie toga, (LAU TAAMU TAFEA). Se pati ua sala, ufiufi a manu gase, ma lafo i fogavaa tele, soifua.

-- Edited by tamasamoamoni on Monday 11th of January 2010 09:00:56 PM






Tamasamoamoni oute talitonu o oe o le vaa mafa tofa, ma oe foi o le tautai matapalapala. E agatonu i manu'a sou taofi, o lau fesili aisea na ma ai le teine o sina? Na iloa atu e se isi fua i le ma?

O le isi aua fesili faamolemole aisea na fai le alofisa a le Tui Manu'a ma Malietoa i le vasa? O lea le mea na le avea ai e le Tui Manu'a Malietoa i uta i le moata e fai le alofisa? Ma e mata e mafai ona palu se ava i lau taamu? O le ala o lau fesili ona sa ou tilotilo i nisi o mau a le aiga sa malietoa e uiga i le lau taamu tafea ma le mafuaaga na maua ai. E tolu tala tu'u a lea aiga i le mafuaaga na maua ai. O lona uiga i lau mau e le'o mautonu le aiga o sa malietoa po'o fea na maua le latou toga. Tulou lou gutu ma le afi. Oute seu a le manu a'e tagai i le galu aua oute talitonu ua ou asaina le oga sami o lo'o lolofi ai tafina o le moana. O le se'e ma le faaeteete foi lou sa.



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Tamaolemaa wrote:

Manuatele wrote:

Tamaolemaa wrote:

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what is tai samasama mean?






Literal translation is "Yellow sea".

The 'Tai Samasama' is the traditional "malae" of the Tu'i Manu'a. Most malae are on land. This one happens to be in the sea between the islands of the Manu'an chain. Apparently the Tui Manu'a was too sacred to even share the same bit of soil with him, so orators had to address his orators over the 'holy sea' biggrin.gif

Why it is called the yellow sea depends on which district 'story' you believe in. The story I heard is that it turned yellow after a serious kava session between the Tui Manua and the Malietoa.



-- Edited by Tamaolemaa on Saturday 9th of January 2010 10:57:01 AM




I hope your not trying to downgrade Tui Manu'a with your comment. You cant compare Malietoa & Tui Manu'a for they are both well known in Samoan History. People like you are the reason why Samoans turn against each other. Think before you speak ua i loa.




You see this is why you shouldn't jump to conclusions before you think first. If you had analysed what I said clearly, you would notice that I clearly said it was a "story" I heard from somewhere. I didn't say it was God's honest truth. I heard it from someone who affiliates to the Sa Malietoa, so obviously that guy is probably biased. Manu'a probably has a better idea of why it is called the Tai Samasama, so I'd bow to your greater knowledge. I don't have any real interest in it to be honest.

For the record, I don't have any interest in upgrading Malietoa's status. I am not from Tuamasaga. I am from Atua. The Tui Atua outranks Malietoa by probably a thousand years.




There are so many families who come in here. Some to seek information, others to give information, some to seek confirmation, others to sow discord. Some to share pride, others to disgrace. Some to seek truth, others to deceive. Some to find peace, others to find anger. We are all Samoan, we are all from one land, we are all connected. Let Tui Manu'a rest in peace, Let Tui Aana enjoy peace and Sa Malietoa may they have the wisdom not to get caught up in these pointless discussions.

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Tamasamoamoni oute talitonu o oe o le vaa mafa tofa, ma oe foi o le tautai matapalapala. E agatonu i manu'a sou taofi, o lau fesili aisea na ma ai le teine o sina? Na iloa atu e se isi fua i le ma?

O le isi aua fesili faamolemole aisea na fai le alofisa a le Tui Manu'a ma Malietoa i le vasa? O lea le mea na le avea ai e le Tui Manu'a Malietoa i uta i le moata e fai le alofisa? Ma e mata e mafai ona palu se ava i lau taamu? O le ala o lau fesili ona sa ou tilotilo i nisi o mau a le aiga sa malietoa e uiga i le lau taamu tafea ma le mafuaaga na maua ai. E tolu tala tu'u a lea aiga i le mafuaaga na maua ai. O lona uiga i lau mau e le'o mautonu le aiga o sa malietoa po'o fea na maua le latou toga. Tulou lou gutu ma le afi. Oute seu a le manu a'e tagai i le galu aua oute talitonu ua ou asaina le oga sami o lo'o lolofi ai tafina o le moana. O le se'e ma le faaeteete foi lou sa.
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This is a very good question. In my opinion I believe this ava ceremony took place. I wonder myself if this ava ceremony was for a feiloaiga or faamavaega? because like you said why did they have the ceremony on the ocean and not on the land? or did they meet by accident on the ocean? My interpretation of this event is that the tuimanua was not aware of the malietoas visit, not until malieotoa was on his way home. He must of realized it and chased him. When he caught up with him they had the ava ceremony. He presented him with the ietoga (lau taamu tafea). I think the meaning of the word lau taamu tafea is just a figure of speech. O le ie lenei nao se lau taamu tafea because he is presenting it on the ocean. It does not necessarly mean that there were taamu leaves floating by.
This is a discussion that we can all share and try to understand what took place, and try to make sense of it all.



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I'm new in this forum but just wanted to note that your opinion in relation to the theories of "TAISAMASAMA" are really interesting. People ask about its definition and what story lies behind its meaning, but in fact, just by seeing what's being stated on this forum, its clear to say that no one knows the truth behind it all. Even maybe so for myself but something of what I've learnt in relation to what TAISAMASAMA is, is where the story of TAISAMASAMA began, how and why it had occured. Here's my take on TAISAMASAMA but if anyone knows more about the truth on the meaning of TAISAMASAMA please let me know. Meanwhile just adding what I know below.

There were two Kings, Malietoa and Tuimanu'a.,, Sa vala'aulia e Tumanu'a ia Malietoa, e afio atu lana afioga, e fai so la alofi sa,ae ua uma ona faatonu ele Tuimanua ona ilamutu,,a tufa le ava oute manao ia ava mua au,, ,ia muamua inu lau ava ae ia faamulimuli le ava a Malietoa,, Ona talia lea e Malietoa, ole vala'aulia a Tuimanu'a. Ona sauni loa lea o Malietoa, ole a Malaga e feiloai maTuimanua. Ae ua ia silafia lelei, le mea o loo manao iai Tuimanua, e mana'o,, LE TUIMANUA,, E faumalo i mea uma, i lo la va faatupu. Ona faatonu LOA lea e Malietoa o ana Tulafale sa latou Malaga faatasi, e faapea.,, Aua lava ne'i malo Tuimanu'a ia te a'u. A tatou taunu'u atu ole La E faatali mai tatou ile ava ole feiloaiga, e Tuimanu'a ma ona,, ILAMUTU,, A o'o i le taimi o le ava, aua lava ne'i inu muamua Tuimanu'a., Ia muamua lava inu la'u ava. Ia ave uatoi, ia faaaliali i fafo pea O'o ina alaga ele tufaava le ava a Tuimanu'a.,, Oute mana'o ia AVA MUA AU,, AE ,,AVA MULI LE TUIMANUA,,KAUKUAGA IA muamua lau ava.,,, Ona alu loa lea ole malaga a Malietoa,, ma ana tulafale,, e taunu'u atu, ua faatali mai Tuimanu'a i lona vaatau ile ogasami tonu lea sa fai ai le taua a To'outa ma To'otai,, ma Mageafaiga,, OLE OGASAMI LEA NA SUIA LOGA IGOA IA PAEPAE ULU. INA UA KOILALO MAGEA FAIGA, ILE KAUA MALE MASAGA MAI AAGA. O LAUA IA GA LA KAPEIGA LE MOLI O MAGEAFAIGA,, SA EMOEMO KUKASI I KUKUILA MA MAGUA

Sa toe faamagatu lava e Malietoa i ana tulafale, tautuana,,, ia faafefe le ilamutu ole Tuimanua, ia sese ai le tufaina o le ava,,.

Sa pati loa le ava, ma alaga loa e le ilamutu a Tuimanua le ava. A o le taimi fo'i lea ua faalala ai ele tulafale a Malietoa laga to'i i fafo. Ona sese ai lea ole faiga ole ava. Ua inu muamua Malietoa,,.ae ua mulimuli igu le ava ale tuimanua,, . Ole ita tele ole Tuimanu'a,, ina ua le inu muamua laga ava,, na kago ai , ua asu i le sami lana ipu ava, ae ua le inu ina., Toe fai fa'alua, toe sese foi le tufaina ole ava. Ua inu muamua fo'i Malietoa ae mulimuli lava Tuimanu'a AE GA UMA LELEI OGA FAAKOGU ELE TUIMANUA OGA ILAMUKU,, IA AVA MUA LAVA IA, AE ,IA MULIMULI LE AVA A MALIETOA,,.AO LE MEA UA KUPU GA AVAMUA MAI LAVA MALIETOA ILE AMATAGA OLE FEILOAIGA,, SE IA OO LAVA ILE FAAIUGA,, Na uma lelei lava le kagoa,, ava,,, o sasa'a e Tuimanu'a i le Sami.,,Oga o loga ika kele,,, ile faiaiga soo o laga ,AVA,,, E KILOKILO ATU MALIETOA UA ,,SAMASAMA ATOA LE ,,OGASAMI O LOO FAI AI LO LA ALOFISA MALE TUIMANUA ,OGA FAI AKU LOA LEA O MALIETOA IA TUIMANUA ,,IA KUIMAGUA,, KALUAI UA E FAIAIGA ILE KA AVA OLE FEILOAIGA,, O LEA OLE A FAAIGOA AI LOA LE OGA SAMI LEGI IA KE OE,, E FAAMAGAKU LEGEI KAEAO MAGAIA,,UA OU MALO AI, ILO KA AVA FAAKUPU, OLE A,, FAAIGOA ,,OLE TAI SAMASAMA O LAU AFIOGA ALE TUIMANUA,,LEA LAVA O LOO OO MAI I ASO NEI,, O LOO FAAMAGAKU AI PEA LEA FEILOAIGA FAATUPU,,A GEI TUPU O SAMOA,,MALE MAFUAAGA OLE IGOA OLE,,, TAISAMASAMA OLE TUIMANUA,,, ,,,OLE MALAGA FOI LEA,, FAAPEA,, NA MAUA AI LE IGOA OLE TOGA ALE AIGA SA MALIETOA,,OGA O KAUMAKEMAKEGA A MALIETOA MA LOGA AUVAA,, IGA UA ILOA AKU LE MOKU O KUKUILA ,AE E LEI UMI FOI, AE KOE ILOA AKU FOI LEISI MOKU,, FAIMAI LEISI KULAFALE,, OLE VAA FOLAU,,AE FAIMAI MALIETOA LEAI ALII,,,,OLE VAAKAU OLE TUIMANUA,,, ,UA PEI LAVA OLE OPEOPEA ALE LAU KAAMU KAFEA,,, LE OPEOPEA MAI OLE VAAKAU OLE TUIMANUA,,,O LOGA UIGA O I LEA OLE A FAI AI LE KAKOU AVA OLE KAKOU FEILOAIGA MALE TUIMANUA,,,IA O SAU LEA FESOASOANI, ,,,IA,MANUIA LE FAASAUSAUGA,,,

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According to Hawaii's King David Kalakaua in his book written in 1888, the Kamehameha lineage is traced to Pilikaeae the Ali'i Chief from Samoa. Sorry it was not Tahiti nor Kauai nor Marquesas, no more confusion. King David Kalakaua proclaimed his royal Kamehameha family lineage from the Ali'i of SAMOA named PILIKAEAE or simply PILI. The King of Hawaii wrote in 1888 and published these proclamations and truths in his book for the world to know. The book was published in 1888 and reprinted in 1972 for mass information. Today in addition to the King's proclamation we will evaluate and examine the fields of Science to establish truths for the world to learn from.

Latest genetic studies in the journals on PNAS 2000 and GENETICS 2002 affirm the origins of Polynesians from sea-faring migrant people originating from around South East Asia. Both articles had these points made (1) Taiwan is not a link to Polynesians as once believed and (2) Polynesians have unique genetic markers like the ' Polynesian motif ' that distinguishes them from all other populations even their closest neighbors the Micronesians and Melanesians. Melanesian genes were found in Fijians and Tongans who border Melanesia. Polynesian Samoans and Eastern Polynesians do not have Melanesian genetic markers. They have unique Polynesian genes which are also found in Tongans, yet not entirely pure in Tonga (GENETICS 2002).This article is based on scientific findings in Archaeology, Anthropology, Genetics and Linguistics. Scientific analysis at the University of Hawaii at Manoa has fortified these educational truths for all Polynesians and the mass public to benefit from.





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Did you all just TOTALLY forget that Tonga ruled over most parts of Samoa for years?.... of course before Samoa overthrew their leaders some hundreds of years ago.

I've read alot of articles and researches and I don't see anything on Tuimanua until now... here on the forum. I got a book written by Robert Louis Stevenson, he wrote about all the controversies in Samoa in the late 1880's about the Samoas battle with European invaders.. about Malietoa, Mataafa and Tamasese. He doesn't say anything about Tuimanua or even mention that Tuimanua had any political or social clout in Samoa during the late 1880's.

I just read a link that was forwarded to me by someone... it tells of Tuimanua but it's all self-proclamation. It goes on to say that Tuimanua had an empire... what empire? Being that I'm westernized.. when I think of empire.. I think about a big castle with gold furnitures, house slaves and a sophisticated military. Like the Roman empire... Chinese empire.. so on and sh*t. This website.. must like the people on this forum keep saying he had an "empire". The only story I've heard from my elders about Tuimanua is that he drowned the King of Tonga or something and not that he ruled the entire pacific. I'd believe it if he was black.

Infact, the picture Manuatele has of Tuimanua looks like a black man. If he were black like a Fijian then I'd believe your claims by about 50% more. Black people ruled the pacific.. they came with a more sophisticated "chief" system then WHATEVER existed then. Just look at the facts.. alof of the Polynesian culture is like ones in Africa, Fiji and them negros in Papua New Guinea. REAL polynesians, I believe were some lost indigineous Americans in the ocean that crossed to path of this Blacks. The only reason Tongan people (who were pure negros then) have any Polynesian blood is because we sleep with them and vise versa. The Tongans tell that when their black a$$ use to rule Samoa, the dominent black Tongan males would butt rape the Samoan guys and thats why we have alot of fa'fafines in Upolu. I know thats harsh but I'm just saying that it's going around the water cooler.

So, thats what I believe and I'm sticking to it. My Great-Grandfather would walk the beaches in Savai'i and pick up skulls and skeletons of dead Tongans that washed up on shore. He would collect them and bury them in a sacred place. He said it was the skulls from the great negro Tongans that once had power over Samoa. These skulls were bigger then that of the Samoans on the island. They say that these negros were bigger than Samoans back then.

I'm sticking to that. If you want to go on about this just look in the mirror.... look at your big nose, big lips and dried hair. Your negro traits are your proof to this theory.

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for the record... Africa was more powerful back then. Thats why the Europeans oppress them because they are afraid of them. BLACK FLOWER.. I mean POWER!! hahahahahaa

the real Tuimanua would have to be a negro if he really has as powerful as these people say he was....



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WHERE ARE ALL MY NEGROS ON HERE.. WE NEED TO DO THE HARLEM SHUFFLE IN UNITY FOR OUR MOTHERLAND TO BE AT PEACE!!

OK.. ONE, TWO.. THREE.. AND STEP TO RIGHT... NOW TWO STEPS TO THE LEFTT.. AND SLIDE.. AND SLIDE... lol

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Not bad. LOL ! Have you considered looking in the mirror yourself to view your "big nose, big lips and dry hair =P"

TWO POINTS FOR YOU ... =P
BUT TRY AGAIN !

Maybe you should've kept the last sentence to yourself and learn more about the faasamoa, dont be fia faapalagi,, kaepu,, Toaga e faitau le tusi a Mose male tusi a Paulo, ae aua le faitaua le tusi a Robert Louis Stevenson,, leaga o le palagi sa ta'a, fiafaiava solo i Samoa. But not bad LOL Try again !

And Keep Looking in the mirror.haaaaaa ,,
Let me know what you saw ! LOL hehehehe,,,,

Se,aua le faitauina,tusi,sa tusi e isi tagata, talapepelo,ae, toaga e faitau se tusi na tusia e lou lava tama,,Ia,, ma toaga foi e faitau le,,Play Boy,e lelei atili ai lau faasamoa,,Ia ma kago e kakala le ie o lou granfather,,, ae siaki loga ,,pukio,,pe leo afaiga,,,Maybe was one of those Samoan mens,,you been mantion, i luga o le forum,was rape by the Tonga,mens,,first time ,i le history o Samoa,ua ou faalogo ai ise kala faapae,,,,O loga uiga, only your own family, na happen ai lena mea,,kalofa la ile Pukio o lou,,, Great Gran Father,, Your,Granfather,, o loga uiga, o lega sa lavea ai foi ma,, lou Dad,, i le laiga o,, tamaloloa Samoa,, na sa e taua,, ,na rape e,,,tamaloloa Tonga ,,,Ia sei siaki foi ma lou pukio,, pe leo lavea i pukio ga sa kau,, rape,,,o lona uiga ua matua leaga faia lava le fale pukio ole kou aiga,,hahaaaaaahahahahahahaha,,talofa e,,,,Just,Keep,,looking in the mirror,,hahahahahahaha,,,,

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she is a fu.cking KEKEA , the bloody sl.ut. lmao

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The Tongans tell that when their black a$$ use to rule Samoa, the dominent black Tongan males would butt rape the Samoan guys and thats why we have alot of fa'fafines in Upolu. I know thats harsh but I'm just saying that it's going around the water cooler.



Don't let LN see this..lmao

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she sounds like she wanna do a LALA , SHE NEEDS A GOOD FU.CK .LMAO

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Not bad. LOL ! Have you considered looking in the mirror yourself to view your "big nose, big lips and dry hair =P"

TWO POINTS FOR YOU ... =P
BUT TRY AGAIN !

Maybe you should've kept the last sentence to yourself and learn more about the faasamoa ae aua le fia faapalagi. Toaga e faitau le tusi a Mose male tusi a Paulo, ae aua le faitaua le tusi a Robert Louis Stevenson leaga o le palagi sa ta'a, fiavaiava solo i Samoa. But not bad LOL Try again !

And Keep Looking in the mirror.
Let me know what you saw ! LOL



HALO SOSAI/reeal-deel HEHE! DA LAST TIMES I SEE YU 'Vaeomoso' YU SPEAKS SAMOANS ANS DONTS KNOW HOW TO SPEAKS ENGLISH,, ANS NOW YU SPEAKS LIKE SOSAI/reeal-deel HEHEHE!

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hey faafafang , o fea sa e iai ? o ai foi le la kamaloa ga e kaumulimuli i ai ? ai la galala i le le maua o sau fagususu a ? hahahahahahaha

ua e fiu e su'e se mea e tena ai lou puti'o a sosai/spade ,haahahahahaha

su'esue malie pea haahahahahaha

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I'm sticking to that. If you want to go on about this just look in the mirror.... look at your big nose, big lips and dried hair. Your negro traits are your proof to this theory.


HAHAHAHA!

My Dad has a small nose. Thank Gawd I don't have the size of my Mum's nose [She has the nose of the Males of my Grandfather's Family] - So my nose is 'in-between', LMAO.

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I'm with Firebird on this one lol. The concept of an 'empire' is Eurocentric in origin. At the peak of Tui Manu'a there was seldom contact with Europeans.

In choosing to contribute to this forum I've come to learn that members of the Tui Manu'a clan refuse to accept that Tui Tonga ruled over most Samoan islands, especially what makes America Samoa today. They argue that it was primarily Upolu, and that even Savai'i escaped Tui Tonga occupation.

This is a ploy between both clans to discredit one another over historical credibility.


One thing is certain. Sa Malietoa looks a lot more SAMOAN than Tui Manu'a.

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Yeah; the Sa Malietoa look African, LMAO!

Therefore; Samoans look African, Hahaha!

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FIREBIRD & SAANAPU TAI:

MALIETOA


TUI MANU'A


How does Tui Manu'a not look Samoan? Saanapu your claims of Malietoa looking more Samoan then Tui Manu'a could you please explain because to me they both look straight SAMOAN.

TUI TONGA RULE IN SAMOA

Where is the evidence? Specifically tell me what are all the Tongan Influences in Samoa? Tell me what islands in Samoa have Tongan mixed with there language? What island in Samoa practices Tongan customs, dances, traditions etc due to this so called TONGAN RULE?

* The reason none of you will be able to answer my questions above is because anciently TUI TONGA'S were already SAMOAN.

M.H PULOKA OF TONGA

* The coming of Samoans from Manu'a was regarded by local Tongans as a celestial event and produced myths about various GODS. These Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) competed amongst themselves for the role of supreme ruler of Tonga which resulted in the establishment of Ahoeitu the 1st Tui Tonga.

* Ahoeitu, though he was considered sacred was also responsible for secular care of the people of Tonga. The domination of the pre-Ahoeitu era by the fascinating Samoans (regarded by local Tongans as gods) "reflected a degree of localization taking place at the social, economic, political, cultural, spiritual & mental levels.

(Rev J.E Moulton Founder of Tupou College Of Tonga):

* A migration from Samoa to Tonga took place in the days of Ahoeitu. These people came from Samoa, and first landed on the east end of the island near Lafonga, where they settled. After living there for many years, eventually removed to the east entrance into Mua inlet, and some of them still live there.

(Okusitino Mahina of Tonga History/Research Association):

* Over time and space, Tongan society became more settled, shaped strictly by both internal pressure and external influences. The external influences came in the form of imperial activities beginning with the Tui Pulotu empire in Fiji and followed by the Tui Manua empire in Samoa. In other words, Tonga was under considerable influence from the imperialism of both Fiji and Samoa. However, Tonga was able to free herself through bitter and bloody wars from the imperial domination of the Tui Manua -- which eventually led to the formation of the Tui Tonga empire around AD 950 in the person of Ahoeitu, the first Tui Tonga -- whose father was a deified Samoan high chief, Tangaloa Eitumātupua, and mother a Tongan woman, Vaepopua, of great noble birth. This double origin entitled the Tui Tonga to hold both divine and secular offices. In principle, the close cultural and historical interlinkages between Fiji, Samoa and Tonga were essentially elitist, involving the intermarriage between regional aristocratic families. However, the rise and fall of these regional empires took place well before the contact with Europe.

(Opeti Taliai Of The Tongan History/Research Association):

* Tui Manu'a

The sociopolitical region of Samoa Atoa: included Samoa, Tonga, Fiji, Rarotonga, Tahiti, and Wahua, which all had to bring Tu'i Manu'a 'umiti = food tributes. All these islands were known as Samoa Atoa when coming together but were considered as tribes when coming together forcefully opposing one another as each one trying to establish a social recognition within the dominion of the Tu'i Manu'a.

* Ahoeitu

In historical terms, food is a sociopolitical means of personal struggle for power. Like fishing, the moheofo food of Va'epopua (mother of 1st Tui Tonga Ahoeitu) is bait which was used to catch the highest sacred royal blood of the Tu'i Manu'a. But at the cost of making the local Tongan descent group the peito, the low-ranking.

THE EFFECTS OF SAMOAN RULE IN TONGA


1) The local Tongans were banned from ever being of high rank hence only Samoans could rise to the Tui Tonga throne and marry into the Tui Tonga line where as local Tongans couldn't. Local Tongans could never mingle in the affairs of Tui Tonga where as Samoans could. Local Tongans couldn't get close or participate in Sacred Ceremonies of Tui Tonga where as Samoans could.

2) To summarize it all up Samoans were the intermediate and extended family of the Tui Tonga Line never was the Tui Tonga Line ever related to any ancient TONGANS for local Tongans (NEVER) in the history of Tonga mixed bloodlines with the TUI TONGA line for TONGANS were considered too low in RANK.

* While present day Tongans are promoting the dynasty of the Tui Tonga line they seem to keep ignoring the fact that non of there ancient ancestors were related to or were apart of the TUI TONGA LINE in any way shape or form. It was SAMOANS who were related by blood and were apart of the Tui Tonga Line in every way, shape and form.


etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc...


There is so much evidence of Samoan Rule in Tonga and it is verified by various Historians of the Tongan Research Association etc.. etc.. etc..

* Something that Samoans & Tongans seem to over look is that the CULTURE of TONGA is actually the strongest evidence of Samoan rule.

1) The CULTURE of Tonga is made up of so many thing that are of Samoan Origin and consists of various Samoan Influences such as Samoan customs, Samoan royal lines, Samoan traditions, Samoan chants, royal language etc.. etc.. etc...

2) When the seat of power of Samoa shifted from Manu'a (Tui Manu'a) to Upolu (Tupu Tafa'ifa) Upolu became the new POWER HOUSE. This lead to another Samoan line in Tonga (Tui Kanokupolu).

Be back later

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-- Edited by Manuatele on Saturday 26th of November 2011 04:47:42 AM

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Black is beautiful!!! LOL Afrika stand up!

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Manuatele wrote:

FIREBIRD & SAANAPU TAI:

MALIETOA


IS THAT A DRESS THAT MALIETOA IS WEARING FROM THE GERMAN SAILOR OR BRITISH?? HAHAHA! BLOODY COLONIAL BULLSH!T!!



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HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Malietoa looks full Samoan whereas Tui Manua looks a mix of Samoan and Fijian i.e Polynesian/Melanesian.

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