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Faletui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tamasamoamoni
Faamolemole tate fia iloa le faaupuga lea o le taoto 5 a Galumalemana poo le a lona mafuaaga ma le uiga.

Faafetai




E le aoa'ia e Laupua tamafaiga. O le taoto lima o usuga. Ole Tuiaana Tamaalelagi e sefulu ana usuga, e ta'ua ole taoto sefulu a le Tuiaana Tamaalelagi. #1 Usu Galumalemana ia Galuegapapa le afafine o Maiava i Matautu Sato'alepai faaee le gafa o Nofoasaefa(tama), Taisi(tama), ma le teine o Puamemea. #2 Usu Galumalemana ia Leteleataema, (poo Leteleolanuola)le afafine o Leleisiuao faaee le gafa o Tualaulelei. #3 Usu Galumalemana ia Iliganoa le afafine o Leota To'omata i Solosolo, faaee le gafa o Tupolesava(Pulepuletupo)(tama). #4 Usu Galemalemana ia Teuaililo le afafine o Tuiatua Tologataua faaee le gafa o Tualamasala(tama) #5 Usu Galumalemana ia Sauimalae le afafine o Tuiaana Tuitaalili, faaee le gafa o Tuiatua I'amafana (tama). Ona faapea lea ole mavaega a le Tuiatua Galumaleluafalemana, " ole a alu le tagata i lona aiga ma lona ALOALI'I, a o le tou tupu, o ile manava o Sauimalae. Tele tagata sa le malilie i lenei mavaega, ae maise Tumua ma le ulumatua o Nofoasaefa, fai mai, "pe fa'apefea ona tupu lenei tagata e le'i fanau mai?".Ona fai lea e Nofoasaefa lona ia Tuiatua ina ua tuu malo Galumalemana, ma ole tagata lea o Nofoasaefa, ose tagata saua tele sa fai lona aso i samoa('ai tagata se'i tulou le afi ma le gutu), sa toe usu lava ia Sauimalae le masiofo a lona tama(tulou), ma o ia lea sa fasiotia i Savai'i ina ua ia faia se mea mataga tele i se tamaitai talavou lava(tulou). Ole ususga lea na faaee ai le gafa o Tae-o-alii, Taeoalii Suapaia(tama na gau e tamaitai lona titi). soifua.




E manaia tele lau fa'asoa Tamasamoamoni,.........sa o'u tilotilo lava ma le
maitau po'o lea sau tali i le fesili a si uso lea na ta'ua i luga!
pe ete togi le moa ae u'u lona afa.
A'o lea le maitau, e le gata ina e malamalama, ae ete le taofia fo'i se mea
i se isi e fia malamalama, ma fia iloa,......o se uiga ma o se lagona e matagofie tele
i la'u va'ai ma la'u maitau.
O lea ua e sa'a faaoti le utu a le faimea, ua tiu fo'i ile tiu a matalaoa lenei itu, e tiu
ma afifi, a'o la le tusi, mai gutu o e popoto e uai mai ai le poto.
I would like to converse with you and anyone else out there who genuinely wishes to discuss and debate our beautiful fa'asamoa constuctively, with respect
and honour to our customs and traditions, and appreciation and exceptance
of every point of view.soifua



Faafetai i lau tofa Faletui, gasegase lava le fetalaiga ae a le fesoasoani vaivai a lenei tagata faatauvaa. Fai mai se tasi toeaina samoa sa ma talatalanoa i San Diego, o se tagata foi ole va, ma ose vaa foi ua mafa tautai, fai mai ua fiu o ia e a'oa'o, ma fai a'oga a alo ma fanau o le aiga faa le aganuu ma le faasamoa, fai mai e mumusu, e le manana'o iai, e le fiafia iai, a o se tala e le galo i lo'u loto, fai mai, " ole a ou alu i le tuugamau ma ia mea e tele, ae fai mo ai ?" Ole mea lava lea ua toe sasa'a ai le fafao, ma toe timata ai le upega, aua a solo le falute, ma tafea pulu ile vai o Sina, ona le toe iloa ai lea o le mafuaaga e ese ai tatou ma le lalolagi, ma gigi faatasi tatou ma le lalolagi, ma leiloa ai le tatou tofi mai le Atua. Tau ina ia sapa'itali le faamoemoe ile tiotala, e pei ole fetalaiga ia Malietoa ma Su'a, sapa'itali le faamoemoe i le Agaga Paia e ta'ita'i ai le tatou atunuu ile manuia. faafetai, soifua.

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faletui

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tamasamoamoni wrote:

Faletui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tamasamoamoni
Faamolemole tate fia iloa le faaupuga lea o le taoto 5 a Galumalemana poo le a lona mafuaaga ma le uiga.

Faafetai




E le aoa'ia e Laupua tamafaiga. O le taoto lima o usuga. Ole Tuiaana Tamaalelagi e sefulu ana usuga, e ta'ua ole taoto sefulu a le Tuiaana Tamaalelagi. #1 Usu Galumalemana ia Galuegapapa le afafine o Maiava i Matautu Sato'alepai faaee le gafa o Nofoasaefa(tama), Taisi(tama), ma le teine o Puamemea. #2 Usu Galumalemana ia Leteleataema, (poo Leteleolanuola)le afafine o Leleisiuao faaee le gafa o Tualaulelei. #3 Usu Galumalemana ia Iliganoa le afafine o Leota To'omata i Solosolo, faaee le gafa o Tupolesava(Pulepuletupo)(tama). #4 Usu Galemalemana ia Teuaililo le afafine o Tuiatua Tologataua faaee le gafa o Tualamasala(tama) #5 Usu Galumalemana ia Sauimalae le afafine o Tuiaana Tuitaalili, faaee le gafa o Tuiatua I'amafana (tama). Ona faapea lea ole mavaega a le Tuiatua Galumaleluafalemana, " ole a alu le tagata i lona aiga ma lona ALOALI'I, a o le tou tupu, o ile manava o Sauimalae. Tele tagata sa le malilie i lenei mavaega, ae maise Tumua ma le ulumatua o Nofoasaefa, fai mai, "pe fa'apefea ona tupu lenei tagata e le'i fanau mai?".Ona fai lea e Nofoasaefa lona ia Tuiatua ina ua tuu malo Galumalemana, ma ole tagata lea o Nofoasaefa, ose tagata saua tele sa fai lona aso i samoa('ai tagata se'i tulou le afi ma le gutu), sa toe usu lava ia Sauimalae le masiofo a lona tama(tulou), ma o ia lea sa fasiotia i Savai'i ina ua ia faia se mea mataga tele i se tamaitai talavou lava(tulou). Ole ususga lea na faaee ai le gafa o Tae-o-alii, Taeoalii Suapaia(tama na gau e tamaitai lona titi). soifua.




E manaia tele lau fa'asoa Tamasamoamoni,.........sa o'u tilotilo lava ma le
maitau po'o lea sau tali i le fesili a si uso lea na ta'ua i luga!
pe ete togi le moa ae u'u lona afa.
A'o lea le maitau, e le gata ina e malamalama, ae ete le taofia fo'i se mea
i se isi e fia malamalama, ma fia iloa,......o se uiga ma o se lagona e matagofie tele
i la'u va'ai ma la'u maitau.
O lea ua e sa'a faaoti le utu a le faimea, ua tiu fo'i ile tiu a matalaoa lenei itu, e tiu
ma afifi, a'o la le tusi, mai gutu o e popoto e uai mai ai le poto.
I would like to converse with you and anyone else out there who genuinely wishes to discuss and debate our beautiful fa'asamoa constuctively, with respect
and honour to our customs and traditions, and appreciation and exceptance
of every point of view.soifua



Faafetai i lau tofa Faletui, gasegase lava le fetalaiga ae a le fesoasoani vaivai a lenei tagata faatauvaa. Fai mai se tasi toeaina samoa sa ma talatalanoa i San Diego, o se tagata foi ole va, ma ose vaa foi ua mafa tautai, fai mai ua fiu o ia e a'oa'o, ma fai a'oga a alo ma fanau o le aiga faa le aganuu ma le faasamoa, fai mai e mumusu, e le manana'o iai, e le fiafia iai, a o se tala e le galo i lo'u loto, fai mai, " ole a ou alu i le tuugamau ma ia mea e tele, ae fai mo ai ?" Ole mea lava lea ua toe sasa'a ai le fafao, ma toe timata ai le upega, aua a solo le falute, ma tafea pulu ile vai o Sina, ona le toe iloa ai lea o le mafuaaga e ese ai tatou ma le lalolagi, ma gigi faatasi tatou ma le lalolagi, ma leiloa ai le tatou tofi mai le Atua. Tau ina ia sapa'itali le faamoemoe ile tiotala, e pei ole fetalaiga ia Malietoa ma Su'a, sapa'itali le faamoemoe i le Agaga Paia e ta'ita'i ai le tatou atunuu ile manuia. faafetai, soifua.




Tasi ae foi atu le fa'autaga tamasamoamoni,....maea e tasi ia pei ona e fetalai,
ae nao sina fautuaga i lau tofa, nao nai motuga afa lava e tuu atu i ou autafa,
a alualu suaga o le vaatele e tau age iai faafetai, a leai foi mai.
Manaia pe fai se tatou page fou, leaga o lea le maitau o le page lea sa outou talanoaina ai ia gafa o aiga tupu o Samoa.Ia e mamao ma faigata tele mo lo'u nei tagata, aemaise ai alo ma fanau o loo lalovaoa ai tau malele mai i itu e fa o le lalolagi, e lei taitai o'o so matou malamalama i ia gafa mamala o le atunuu.
Ae tatou amata lelei mai i nai mea faigofie e aoga i le tupulaga lautele, pei o le toatele o le aufaitau e aumau i nuu mamao, latou te le o silafiaina le soifua tautua ma le soifua masani o aso uma i le olaga fa'asamoamoni.
Alot of our young overseas only come into contact with faasamoa either through church functions or family faalavelave, and they are far and few between.
Their knowledge of fa'asamoa and its protocols for certain ceremonies is very limited almost non existent!.....there i think is where we could help, especially a well knowledgeble esteemed orator like yourself.
I know its like faitau pi standard for you, but simple things like folafola taumafa, solo ava, folafola sua, sula toga for the girls, things that the youth of our nation will come into contact with and will concern them, and help them in the churches they are in, or their families, and give them a sence of belonging and some understand of what is a beautiful, vibrant and complicated culture.
Ma le fa'aaloalo e tatau ai, fa'afetai.
soifua

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Anonymous

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faletui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Faletui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tamasamoamoni
Faamolemole tate fia iloa le faaupuga lea o le taoto 5 a Galumalemana poo le a lona mafuaaga ma le uiga.

Faafetai




E le aoa'ia e Laupua tamafaiga. O le taoto lima o usuga. Ole Tuiaana Tamaalelagi e sefulu ana usuga, e ta'ua ole taoto sefulu a le Tuiaana Tamaalelagi. #1 Usu Galumalemana ia Galuegapapa le afafine o Maiava i Matautu Sato'alepai faaee le gafa o Nofoasaefa(tama), Taisi(tama), ma le teine o Puamemea. #2 Usu Galumalemana ia Leteleataema, (poo Leteleolanuola)le afafine o Leleisiuao faaee le gafa o Tualaulelei. #3 Usu Galumalemana ia Iliganoa le afafine o Leota To'omata i Solosolo, faaee le gafa o Tupolesava(Pulepuletupo)(tama). #4 Usu Galemalemana ia Teuaililo le afafine o Tuiatua Tologataua faaee le gafa o Tualamasala(tama) #5 Usu Galumalemana ia Sauimalae le afafine o Tuiaana Tuitaalili, faaee le gafa o Tuiatua I'amafana (tama). Ona faapea lea ole mavaega a le Tuiatua Galumaleluafalemana, " ole a alu le tagata i lona aiga ma lona ALOALI'I, a o le tou tupu, o ile manava o Sauimalae. Tele tagata sa le malilie i lenei mavaega, ae maise Tumua ma le ulumatua o Nofoasaefa, fai mai, "pe fa'apefea ona tupu lenei tagata e le'i fanau mai?".Ona fai lea e Nofoasaefa lona ia Tuiatua ina ua tuu malo Galumalemana, ma ole tagata lea o Nofoasaefa, ose tagata saua tele sa fai lona aso i samoa('ai tagata se'i tulou le afi ma le gutu), sa toe usu lava ia Sauimalae le masiofo a lona tama(tulou), ma o ia lea sa fasiotia i Savai'i ina ua ia faia se mea mataga tele i se tamaitai talavou lava(tulou). Ole ususga lea na faaee ai le gafa o Tae-o-alii, Taeoalii Suapaia(tama na gau e tamaitai lona titi). soifua.




E manaia tele lau fa'asoa Tamasamoamoni,.........sa o'u tilotilo lava ma le
maitau po'o lea sau tali i le fesili a si uso lea na ta'ua i luga!
pe ete togi le moa ae u'u lona afa.
A'o lea le maitau, e le gata ina e malamalama, ae ete le taofia fo'i se mea
i se isi e fia malamalama, ma fia iloa,......o se uiga ma o se lagona e matagofie tele
i la'u va'ai ma la'u maitau.
O lea ua e sa'a faaoti le utu a le faimea, ua tiu fo'i ile tiu a matalaoa lenei itu, e tiu
ma afifi, a'o la le tusi, mai gutu o e popoto e uai mai ai le poto.
I would like to converse with you and anyone else out there who genuinely wishes to discuss and debate our beautiful fa'asamoa constuctively, with respect
and honour to our customs and traditions, and appreciation and exceptance
of every point of view.soifua



Faafetai i lau tofa Faletui, gasegase lava le fetalaiga ae a le fesoasoani vaivai a lenei tagata faatauvaa. Fai mai se tasi toeaina samoa sa ma talatalanoa i San Diego, o se tagata foi ole va, ma ose vaa foi ua mafa tautai, fai mai ua fiu o ia e a'oa'o, ma fai a'oga a alo ma fanau o le aiga faa le aganuu ma le faasamoa, fai mai e mumusu, e le manana'o iai, e le fiafia iai, a o se tala e le galo i lo'u loto, fai mai, " ole a ou alu i le tuugamau ma ia mea e tele, ae fai mo ai ?" Ole mea lava lea ua toe sasa'a ai le fafao, ma toe timata ai le upega, aua a solo le falute, ma tafea pulu ile vai o Sina, ona le toe iloa ai lea o le mafuaaga e ese ai tatou ma le lalolagi, ma gigi faatasi tatou ma le lalolagi, ma leiloa ai le tatou tofi mai le Atua. Tau ina ia sapa'itali le faamoemoe ile tiotala, e pei ole fetalaiga ia Malietoa ma Su'a, sapa'itali le faamoemoe i le Agaga Paia e ta'ita'i ai le tatou atunuu ile manuia. faafetai, soifua.




Tasi ae foi atu le fa'autaga tamasamoamoni,....maea e tasi ia pei ona e fetalai,
ae nao sina fautuaga i lau tofa, nao nai motuga afa lava e tuu atu i ou autafa,
a alualu suaga o le vaatele e tau age iai faafetai, a leai foi mai.
Manaia pe fai se tatou page fou, leaga o lea le maitau o le page lea sa outou talanoaina ai ia gafa o aiga tupu o Samoa.Ia e mamao ma faigata tele mo lo'u nei tagata, aemaise ai alo ma fanau o loo lalovaoa ai tau malele mai i itu e fa o le lalolagi, e lei taitai o'o so matou malamalama i ia gafa mamala o le atunuu.
Ae tatou amata lelei mai i nai mea faigofie e aoga i le tupulaga lautele, pei o le toatele o le aufaitau e aumau i nuu mamao, latou te le o silafiaina le soifua tautua ma le soifua masani o aso uma i le olaga fa'asamoamoni.
Alot of our young overseas only come into contact with faasamoa either through church functions or family faalavelave, and they are far and few between.
Their knowledge of fa'asamoa and its protocols for certain ceremonies is very limited almost non existent!.....there i think is where we could help, especially a well knowledgeble esteemed orator like yourself.
I know its like faitau pi standard for you, but simple things like folafola taumafa, solo ava, folafola sua, sula toga for the girls, things that the youth of our nation will come into contact with and will concern them, and help them in the churches they are in, or their families, and give them a sence of belonging and some understand of what is a beautiful, vibrant and complicated culture.
Ma le fa'aaloalo e tatau ai, fa'afetai.
soifua


Malo lava le vagana pa'ia i lau tofa Faletui. Ma e moni lava le fautuaga a lau tofa Tumua, ae e fai se vaivai o si ou uso i mea faa le computer, oute leiloa fai se web site, ae e manaia tele le fautuaga ma mafaufauga a lau tofa le failauga. Thank you for your concerns and your comments and also your advice. Its true, the younger generation needs our help because we are now seeing the erosion, the destruction, the demise, of the aganuu and the faasamoa, due to the westernization of the faasamoa, and the weaknesses of the parents and churches amongst other things. I believe that some of the greatest influences I see undermining the youth of tomorrow are money, gangs, drugs,and the African American influence with their hip-hop culture, example, music, clothes, dances, walk , talk, the samoan youth want to mirror everything, and thats how they are living their lives, all the way to Savaii and beyond, correct me if I'm wrong. Having said that, I will say that I want to do whatever within reason to help. Lets keep in contact and keep the dialouge open. faafetai, soifua.

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FaleTui

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tamasamoamoni wrote:

Faletui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tamasamoamoni
Faamolemole tate fia iloa le faaupuga lea o le taoto 5 a Galumalemana poo le a lona mafuaaga ma le uiga.

Faafetai




E le aoa'ia e Laupua tamafaiga. O le taoto lima o usuga. Ole Tuiaana Tamaalelagi e sefulu ana usuga, e ta'ua ole taoto sefulu a le Tuiaana Tamaalelagi. #1 Usu Galumalemana ia Galuegapapa le afafine o Maiava i Matautu Sato'alepai faaee le gafa o Nofoasaefa(tama), Taisi(tama), ma le teine o Puamemea. #2 Usu Galumalemana ia Leteleataema, (poo Leteleolanuola)le afafine o Leleisiuao faaee le gafa o Tualaulelei. #3 Usu Galumalemana ia Iliganoa le afafine o Leota To'omata i Solosolo, faaee le gafa o Tupolesava(Pulepuletupo)(tama). #4 Usu Galemalemana ia Teuaililo le afafine o Tuiatua Tologataua faaee le gafa o Tualamasala(tama) #5 Usu Galumalemana ia Sauimalae le afafine o Tuiaana Tuitaalili, faaee le gafa o Tuiatua I'amafana (tama). Ona faapea lea ole mavaega a le Tuiatua Galumaleluafalemana, " ole a alu le tagata i lona aiga ma lona ALOALI'I, a o le tou tupu, o ile manava o Sauimalae. Tele tagata sa le malilie i lenei mavaega, ae maise Tumua ma le ulumatua o Nofoasaefa, fai mai, "pe fa'apefea ona tupu lenei tagata e le'i fanau mai?".Ona fai lea e Nofoasaefa lona ia Tuiatua ina ua tuu malo Galumalemana, ma ole tagata lea o Nofoasaefa, ose tagata saua tele sa fai lona aso i samoa('ai tagata se'i tulou le afi ma le gutu), sa toe usu lava ia Sauimalae le masiofo a lona tama(tulou), ma o ia lea sa fasiotia i Savai'i ina ua ia faia se mea mataga tele i se tamaitai talavou lava(tulou). Ole ususga lea na faaee ai le gafa o Tae-o-alii, Taeoalii Suapaia(tama na gau e tamaitai lona titi). soifua.




E manaia tele lau fa'asoa Tamasamoamoni,.........sa o'u tilotilo lava ma le
maitau po'o lea sau tali i le fesili a si uso lea na ta'ua i luga!
pe ete togi le moa ae u'u lona afa.
A'o lea le maitau, e le gata ina e malamalama, ae ete le taofia fo'i se mea
i se isi e fia malamalama, ma fia iloa,......o se uiga ma o se lagona e matagofie tele
i la'u va'ai ma la'u maitau.
O lea ua e sa'a faaoti le utu a le faimea, ua tiu fo'i ile tiu a matalaoa lenei itu, e tiu
ma afifi, a'o la le tusi, mai gutu o e popoto e uai mai ai le poto.
I would like to converse with you and anyone else out there who genuinely wishes to discuss and debate our beautiful fa'asamoa constuctively, with respect
and honour to our customs and traditions, and appreciation and exceptance
of every point of view.soifua



Faafetai i lau tofa Faletui, gasegase lava le fetalaiga ae a le fesoasoani vaivai a lenei tagata faatauvaa. Fai mai se tasi toeaina samoa sa ma talatalanoa i San Diego, o se tagata foi ole va, ma ose vaa foi ua mafa tautai, fai mai ua fiu o ia e a'oa'o, ma fai a'oga a alo ma fanau o le aiga faa le aganuu ma le faasamoa, fai mai e mumusu, e le manana'o iai, e le fiafia iai, a o se tala e le galo i lo'u loto, fai mai, " ole a ou alu i le tuugamau ma ia mea e tele, ae fai mo ai ?" Ole mea lava lea ua toe sasa'a ai le fafao, ma toe timata ai le upega, aua a solo le falute, ma tafea pulu ile vai o Sina, ona le toe iloa ai lea o le mafuaaga e ese ai tatou ma le lalolagi, ma gigi faatasi tatou ma le lalolagi, ma leiloa ai le tatou tofi mai le Atua. Tau ina ia sapa'itali le faamoemoe ile tiotala, e pei ole fetalaiga ia Malietoa ma Su'a, sapa'itali le faamoemoe i le Agaga Paia e ta'ita'i ai le tatou atunuu ile manuia. faafetai, soifua.





I would love to start a new topic on this forum for our subject, a'o sina lave e tele le au fa'aleaga mea, so I don't know if it's worth opening it here?What do you think Tama?

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Anonymous

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FaleTui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Faletui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tamasamoamoni
Faamolemole tate fia iloa le faaupuga lea o le taoto 5 a Galumalemana poo le a lona mafuaaga ma le uiga.

Faafetai




E le aoa'ia e Laupua tamafaiga. O le taoto lima o usuga. Ole Tuiaana Tamaalelagi e sefulu ana usuga, e ta'ua ole taoto sefulu a le Tuiaana Tamaalelagi. #1 Usu Galumalemana ia Galuegapapa le afafine o Maiava i Matautu Sato'alepai faaee le gafa o Nofoasaefa(tama), Taisi(tama), ma le teine o Puamemea. #2 Usu Galumalemana ia Leteleataema, (poo Leteleolanuola)le afafine o Leleisiuao faaee le gafa o Tualaulelei. #3 Usu Galumalemana ia Iliganoa le afafine o Leota To'omata i Solosolo, faaee le gafa o Tupolesava(Pulepuletupo)(tama). #4 Usu Galemalemana ia Teuaililo le afafine o Tuiatua Tologataua faaee le gafa o Tualamasala(tama) #5 Usu Galumalemana ia Sauimalae le afafine o Tuiaana Tuitaalili, faaee le gafa o Tuiatua I'amafana (tama). Ona faapea lea ole mavaega a le Tuiatua Galumaleluafalemana, " ole a alu le tagata i lona aiga ma lona ALOALI'I, a o le tou tupu, o ile manava o Sauimalae. Tele tagata sa le malilie i lenei mavaega, ae maise Tumua ma le ulumatua o Nofoasaefa, fai mai, "pe fa'apefea ona tupu lenei tagata e le'i fanau mai?".Ona fai lea e Nofoasaefa lona ia Tuiatua ina ua tuu malo Galumalemana, ma ole tagata lea o Nofoasaefa, ose tagata saua tele sa fai lona aso i samoa('ai tagata se'i tulou le afi ma le gutu), sa toe usu lava ia Sauimalae le masiofo a lona tama(tulou), ma o ia lea sa fasiotia i Savai'i ina ua ia faia se mea mataga tele i se tamaitai talavou lava(tulou). Ole ususga lea na faaee ai le gafa o Tae-o-alii, Taeoalii Suapaia(tama na gau e tamaitai lona titi). soifua.




E manaia tele lau fa'asoa Tamasamoamoni,.........sa o'u tilotilo lava ma le
maitau po'o lea sau tali i le fesili a si uso lea na ta'ua i luga!
pe ete togi le moa ae u'u lona afa.
A'o lea le maitau, e le gata ina e malamalama, ae ete le taofia fo'i se mea
i se isi e fia malamalama, ma fia iloa,......o se uiga ma o se lagona e matagofie tele
i la'u va'ai ma la'u maitau.
O lea ua e sa'a faaoti le utu a le faimea, ua tiu fo'i ile tiu a matalaoa lenei itu, e tiu
ma afifi, a'o la le tusi, mai gutu o e popoto e uai mai ai le poto.
I would like to converse with you and anyone else out there who genuinely wishes to discuss and debate our beautiful fa'asamoa constuctively, with respect
and honour to our customs and traditions, and appreciation and exceptance
of every point of view.soifua



Faafetai i lau tofa Faletui, gasegase lava le fetalaiga ae a le fesoasoani vaivai a lenei tagata faatauvaa. Fai mai se tasi toeaina samoa sa ma talatalanoa i San Diego, o se tagata foi ole va, ma ose vaa foi ua mafa tautai, fai mai ua fiu o ia e a'oa'o, ma fai a'oga a alo ma fanau o le aiga faa le aganuu ma le faasamoa, fai mai e mumusu, e le manana'o iai, e le fiafia iai, a o se tala e le galo i lo'u loto, fai mai, " ole a ou alu i le tuugamau ma ia mea e tele, ae fai mo ai ?" Ole mea lava lea ua toe sasa'a ai le fafao, ma toe timata ai le upega, aua a solo le falute, ma tafea pulu ile vai o Sina, ona le toe iloa ai lea o le mafuaaga e ese ai tatou ma le lalolagi, ma gigi faatasi tatou ma le lalolagi, ma leiloa ai le tatou tofi mai le Atua. Tau ina ia sapa'itali le faamoemoe ile tiotala, e pei ole fetalaiga ia Malietoa ma Su'a, sapa'itali le faamoemoe i le Agaga Paia e ta'ita'i ai le tatou atunuu ile manuia. faafetai, soifua.





I would love to start a new topic on this forum for our subject, a'o sina lave e tele le au fa'aleaga mea, so I don't know if it's worth opening it here?What do you think Tama?


Its not worth it house! I hate to read the filth and slime from the bowels of the sewers, and it makes me sick what some people store in their minds and in their hearts. Its hatred,envy, and alot of fiapoko. So I suggest we leave it at that for now and hope some of the posts and forums help those in need. take care and God bless.

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FaleTui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Faletui wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tamasamoamoni
Faamolemole tate fia iloa le faaupuga lea o le taoto 5 a Galumalemana poo le a lona mafuaaga ma le uiga.

Faafetai




E le aoa'ia e Laupua tamafaiga. O le taoto lima o usuga. Ole Tuiaana Tamaalelagi e sefulu ana usuga, e ta'ua ole taoto sefulu a le Tuiaana Tamaalelagi. #1 Usu Galumalemana ia Galuegapapa le afafine o Maiava i Matautu Sato'alepai faaee le gafa o Nofoasaefa(tama), Taisi(tama), ma le teine o Puamemea. #2 Usu Galumalemana ia Leteleataema, (poo Leteleolanuola)le afafine o Leleisiuao faaee le gafa o Tualaulelei. #3 Usu Galumalemana ia Iliganoa le afafine o Leota To'omata i Solosolo, faaee le gafa o Tupolesava(Pulepuletupo)(tama). #4 Usu Galemalemana ia Teuaililo le afafine o Tuiatua Tologataua faaee le gafa o Tualamasala(tama) #5 Usu Galumalemana ia Sauimalae le afafine o Tuiaana Tuitaalili, faaee le gafa o Tuiatua I'amafana (tama). Ona faapea lea ole mavaega a le Tuiatua Galumaleluafalemana, " ole a alu le tagata i lona aiga ma lona ALOALI'I, a o le tou tupu, o ile manava o Sauimalae. Tele tagata sa le malilie i lenei mavaega, ae maise Tumua ma le ulumatua o Nofoasaefa, fai mai, "pe fa'apefea ona tupu lenei tagata e le'i fanau mai?".Ona fai lea e Nofoasaefa lona ia Tuiatua ina ua tuu malo Galumalemana, ma ole tagata lea o Nofoasaefa, ose tagata saua tele sa fai lona aso i samoa('ai tagata se'i tulou le afi ma le gutu), sa toe usu lava ia Sauimalae le masiofo a lona tama(tulou), ma o ia lea sa fasiotia i Savai'i ina ua ia faia se mea mataga tele i se tamaitai talavou lava(tulou). Ole ususga lea na faaee ai le gafa o Tae-o-alii, Taeoalii Suapaia(tama na gau e tamaitai lona titi). soifua.




E manaia tele lau fa'asoa Tamasamoamoni,.........sa o'u tilotilo lava ma le
maitau po'o lea sau tali i le fesili a si uso lea na ta'ua i luga!
pe ete togi le moa ae u'u lona afa.
A'o lea le maitau, e le gata ina e malamalama, ae ete le taofia fo'i se mea
i se isi e fia malamalama, ma fia iloa,......o se uiga ma o se lagona e matagofie tele
i la'u va'ai ma la'u maitau.
O lea ua e sa'a faaoti le utu a le faimea, ua tiu fo'i ile tiu a matalaoa lenei itu, e tiu
ma afifi, a'o la le tusi, mai gutu o e popoto e uai mai ai le poto.
I would like to converse with you and anyone else out there who genuinely wishes to discuss and debate our beautiful fa'asamoa constuctively, with respect
and honour to our customs and traditions, and appreciation and exceptance
of every point of view.soifua



Faafetai i lau tofa Faletui, gasegase lava le fetalaiga ae a le fesoasoani vaivai a lenei tagata faatauvaa. Fai mai se tasi toeaina samoa sa ma talatalanoa i San Diego, o se tagata foi ole va, ma ose vaa foi ua mafa tautai, fai mai ua fiu o ia e a'oa'o, ma fai a'oga a alo ma fanau o le aiga faa le aganuu ma le faasamoa, fai mai e mumusu, e le manana'o iai, e le fiafia iai, a o se tala e le galo i lo'u loto, fai mai, " ole a ou alu i le tuugamau ma ia mea e tele, ae fai mo ai ?" Ole mea lava lea ua toe sasa'a ai le fafao, ma toe timata ai le upega, aua a solo le falute, ma tafea pulu ile vai o Sina, ona le toe iloa ai lea o le mafuaaga e ese ai tatou ma le lalolagi, ma gigi faatasi tatou ma le lalolagi, ma leiloa ai le tatou tofi mai le Atua. Tau ina ia sapa'itali le faamoemoe ile tiotala, e pei ole fetalaiga ia Malietoa ma Su'a, sapa'itali le faamoemoe i le Agaga Paia e ta'ita'i ai le tatou atunuu ile manuia. faafetai, soifua.





I would love to start a new topic on this forum for our subject, a'o sina lave e tele le au fa'aleaga mea, so I don't know if it's worth opening it here?What do you think Tama?


Its not worth it house! I hate to read the filth and slime from the bowels of the sewers, and it makes me sick what some people store in their minds and in their hearts. Its hatred,envy, and alot of fiapoko. So I suggest we leave it at that for now and hope some of the posts and forums help those in need. take care and God bless.




Yes i agree my friend, it is very unfortunate.....but true!
It is sad, because its irronic that a people with so much culture and so much
tradition exaulting the virtue of fa'aaloalo, can not seem to exercise any when
it is needed. I feel for the genuine person who actually wants to know and find
out things about fa'asamoa because they are missing out due to the fact that
some people out there find themselves compelled to be unmannered, unruly,
and out right rude!! with out any consideration for anyone else!
That my friend saddens me, because we are seeing first hand the demise, and erosion of our beloved fa'asamoamoni!
Talofae........peiseai o le a tafea le utu a Taufau.

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THANKS TO TAMASAMOAMONI FOR THE HISTORY LESSON...

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FALEFA wrote:

THANKS TO TAMASAMOAMONI FOR THE HISTORY LESSON...




I am but a worthless servant, and what I have I'd like to share to all our beloved people, who geniunely love and truly cherish the culture, the history and all it stands for. The Lord knows my heart, I seek no glory I seek no fame, I seek no fortune, I only seek glory for God, praises for his His holy name, and He blessess me with an abundance of knowledge, and a wealth of understanding. God bless Samoa, and forever keep her in His everlasting arms, soifua, ma ia manuia.

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Hi, e fa'a le lelei le faasamoa ae o le a taumafai pea.
Just a query on the GAFA O LE TAOFIA A TAULAPAPA poo MAVAEGA A TAULAPAPA
E Falefa ia Lemusu 'Leota'?
thanks


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Fetutafaila wrote:

Hi, e fa'a le lelei le faasamoa ae o le a taumafai pea.
Just a query on the GAFA O LE TAOFIA A TAULAPAPA poo MAVAEGA A TAULAPAPA
E Falefa ia Lemusu 'Leota'?
thanks




Usuia Tuitogama'atoe e Lemafa'itu'uga Mafalimalelei, faaee le gafa o #16Malietoa Taulapapa, ma Sinailemanaui (teine).

O ia lea na faia le FALEUPOLU O TOFIGA, sa fai i Siufaitoto'a Lepea Faleata:1574.)

(O fanau ia a Malietoa Taulapapa ua taua o le TAOFIA a le MALIETOA. Sa susu lava Malietoa Taulapapa i Siufaitotoa ma fai ana tofiga i lana fanau e faapea. O le a alu lava le tama ia i le aiga o lona tina, ae o le a tua Siufaitotoa i Siumoo ma Vaioa.)

Usu #16Malietoa Taulapapa ia Fatumiti le afafine o Tagaloafesulu, faaee le gafa o Toomata, ma Iliganoa Taulaloese (teine). Mavaega - To'omata, o lou Leota lea, na tofia i Savaii e Aliitai i ai le fale-Safune ma Taulauniu, o oe o le to'oto'o o le a'ava. E te Paletuiga feagai ma Ilignoa lou tuafafine.

Toe Usu #16Malietoa Taulapapa ia Talai le uso o Fatumiti, faaee le gafa o Fiumalosi. Mavaega - O oe o le fiu o le tootoo va i malae o ou uso (Tulafale). O oe o le fiu malosi.

Toe Usu #16Malietoa Taulapapa ia Tonuumatasiva le afafine o Le'iataua i Manono, faaee le gafa o Seiuli (tama), Taiaopo (teine). Mavaega - Seiuli o lou Leota lea. O oe o le to'oto'o o le manino (filemu), na tofia i Faleata e feagai ma le fale-Tuamasaga. E te paletuiga faafeagai ma lou tuafafine o Taiaopo.

Toe Usu #16Malietoa Taulapapa ia Samalaulu le afafine o Tofaeono i Vaimauga, faaee le gafa o Leuluaialii, ma Punipuao (teine). Mavaega - Leuluaialii, o lou Leota lea, na tofia i Solosolo e feagai ma le Aualuma o Tane, e aualuma fa'alelea(aumaga) oe. Paletuiga faafeagai ma Punipuao.

Toe Usu #16Malietoa Taulapapa ia Fenuinuiletavae le afafine o Manuaiseuga i Safata, faaee le gafa o Suatele poo Leota i Mulivaitoa (tama), ma Setupuaseve (teine). Mavaega - Suatele o lou Leota lea o lou nuu Mulivai, a te feagai ma le Alataua i Safata. E te paletuiga faafeagai ma Setupuaseve.

Looks like theres five usugas but four Leotas.

fa!

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Fetutafaila wrote:

Hi, e fa'a le lelei le faasamoa ae o le a taumafai pea.
Just a query on the GAFA O LE TAOFIA A TAULAPAPA poo MAVAEGA A TAULAPAPA
E Falefa ia Lemusu 'Leota'?
thanks





fa'alupega o Solosolo- Le afio o le Taufia a le Malietoa Taulapapa, usoali'i ma aloali'i ma e na au i ao ma upu ia Saleutogipo'e na limamatua iai faleupolu e fa o tofiga.

Le faletolu o SaLeota-Leota To'omata fofoga o le aava
-Leota Seiuli fofoga o le manino
-Leota Leulua'iali'i sa'o aualuma
They all reside in Solosolo, the residence of their father Malietoa Taulapapa, it was for the good TAUTUA of Lemusu that he was made the fourth in the house of Saleota, and be counted among them which means he was given a voice in the fono of Si'umo'o and Vaioa.

The faleali'i that is referred to in the above blog, is correct however this is not how Lemusu became the fourth Leota which i thought was the question.
Ta'ape le Faleali'i nai Siufaitoto'a, with the decrees of Malietoa Taulapapa that Salemuliaga, Taulauniu and Sasulu, the Falesafune as well as Faleata were the four principle orator groups or Faleupolu o tofiga. However Leutogi and Po'e became displeased with the Kings decree, because they were the orators that served the king, and would mix his alofi at Si'umo'o and Vaioa but yet they were left out. So the king said to Leutogi and Po'e, you fools, you are the faleupolu that tends to me here, therefore you are the principle orator in the house of the four, you are the thumb, and the four faleupolu are the fingers, the fingers cannot do anything without the thumb. O oe o SaLeutogipo'e.





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does malietoa have a va'a?

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does malietoa have a va'a?





I dont think so!......but he does have a car!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

does malietoa have a va'a?





I dont think so!......but he does have a car!


oh, is that right.. well i hope hes got a really really nice then. he he..

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yeah and uncle sam said you can't bestow it any more so what use is it aye..lol






My!my!my!.
Why are we still discussing this topic,who's the real Malietoa and so forth.
do you really think that all this Royal men can re-surrect our people from poverty...
I don't think so,,
Man,they only noble man like you & me,that cannot direct its own way to a better life.
There are so many,people out there in our own villages that i believe they are much better,caring still look out for the best of their family..meaning food on the table,and still provides the family from their backyard...
I am from Safotulafai,and i never never knew all these ,,,which i don't see any points of putting the family on the pulpit..
We are still the same,from day 1 until now...
Our forfathers,passed away 30yrs ago,,, mayb more b4 i born,never hear them saying abou we are from such and such...
And im proud because we are still remain the same....no changes in our lifestyle....
Talk abou topics that,help our people and keep the peace amongst us rather than stirring the hot soup....cause trouble...

Manuia le aso...

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does malietoa have a va'a?




Everybody had a vaa in those days, just that some were more famous than other. E iai toa o samoa sa ta'uata'ua ma logologoa o latou va'a, ma le latou folauga ile atu Samoa, ma le vasalaloa. E iai le tala a le vaa a le Tuimanu'a sa fau ile laau ole pau ma le ifilele i Savai'i, e iai le vaa a le toa o Liavaa, e iai foi tala ile vaa a le Fiame ma lona sailiga malo, e iai ma vaa e lua a Safune Savai'i, ole Ta ile Vai, ma le Ta ile Tai. Fai mai le tala, o le Tagaloalagi Funefeai, o ia lena ole toa ta'uta'ua i na ona po, ma le au tau a Safune, sa to'ilalo ai le tele o nuu i Upolu ma Savai'i, ma sa iai lana vaa e igoa ole PUALELE. Fai mai sa usu le Tuiatua Fepulea'i ia Utufaasili, le afafine o le Tagaloalagi Funefeai. Fai mai sa ma'emaea ma ita tele le Tagaloalagi Funefeai ona ole nunu sa fai ma le a'amu ile ie toga sa tatalaina e Safune,ma le le Tuiatua Fepulea'i sa le talafeagai ma le latou mafutaga, ma, o leisi mea, ua le tatalaina le ato pona pona, poo le ato pumo'omo'o a Taema ma Tilafaiga na ave ile Tuiatua. Ona sau lea ole Fuava'a a le Tagaloalagi Funefeai, ma le au tau a Safune. O Letogo ile malae o Lalotea, sa tatanu ai au a le Tuiatua Fepulea'i, ma fai ai fale vaai o taua. Ona vaai atu lea ole au atu a le Tuiatua ile fuava'a ma le au tau a le Tagaloalagi Funefeai ma Safune, e mata'utia le fuava'a ma le to'atele o tagata totoa a le au tau a Safune. Ona tata lea o lali ma alu le tili ile Tuiatua Fepulea'i, ole a oti uma i latou pe a faapea e tau ma Safune, e leai se isi e sao. Ona faatoga lea e le TUiatua Fepulea'i i lana masiofo o Utufaasili, le afafine o le Tagaloalagi Funefeai e alu e tu ile matafaga. Ona se'ese'e atu lea o va'a a Safune, ma ua vaai atu le Tagaloa Funefeai, o loo tu mai lana afafine ile tolotolo ile matafaga, ma ua ma'i to foi, ua ma'i tagata. Ona faapea lea o le Tagaloa Funefeai i lana au vaa ma le au tau a Safune, "taofi le taua, o lo'u afaine lena o loo tu mai ile matafaga", ona faapea lea ole au tau a Safune, "le ali'i e, ua faigata, UA SE'E LE VA'A O SAFUNE", ua fia tau le au tau a Safune. Ona faapea lea ole malelega a le Tagaloa Funefeai, " E LEAI SE GAUMATAU, NA'O LE GAUALOFA". Ona tolo ai lea ole taua, ma ua faaigoa ai le tama a Utufaasili ia TOLOGATAU, ma maua ai le igoa ole aumaga a Safune ole TAMA OLE LUPE TUAEFUEFU(MAI LE TUIATUA), ma faaigoa ai le malae i Lalotea, OLE FAAUTUGATAGI A TUMUA. Ma maua ai le igoa ole ie toga a Safune, ole FAILATUMATAFAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

does malietoa have a va'a?





I dont think so!......but he does have a car!


oh, is that right.. well i hope hes got a really really nice then. he he..




LOL!!!hehehe!.......its good to see you have a good scence of humour!!
And since you took my joke the way it was meant, I will try to offer an opinion or shed some light partially as it may be to your question stated above!
"Does Malietoa have a Va'a"

In the days of men and gods, when the Malietoas were well established in Malie & Afega, its authority grew throughout the Tuamasaga, with marrieages of Malietoa chiefs and daughters of rank, its influence too spread to Manono and Aiga i le Tai, as well as to Safotulafai, Sapapaali'i and the rest of the Fa'asaleleaga district.

It was here in Manono and family by the sea, that the great Fuava'a or fleet of ships were anchored, i will call them ships because they were massive 100mtr long double wholed canoes easily abled to carry 60-100 warriors. So it was here that Malietoa sought refuge in times of war, he would stay on a ship in the middle of the fleet called the "Va'atapu" he would be tended to by a highpriest, who prayed to the pagan gods for good fortune in the pending battle. It was here too on this ship that Malietoa would "tapua'i" the battle, and the warriors would come and bring the severed heads of the enemies to him and pile them in front of him, and where the lord would congratulate them and praise their bravery.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

does malietoa have a va'a?





I dont think so!......but he does have a car!


oh, is that right.. well i hope hes got a really really nice then. he he..




LOL!!!hehehe!.......its good to see you have a good scence of humour!!
And since you took my joke the way it was meant, I will try to offer an opinion or shed some light partially as it may be to your question stated above!
"Does Malietoa have a Va'a"

In the days of men and gods, when the Malietoas were well established in Malie & Afega, its authority grew throughout the Tuamasaga, with marrieages of Malietoa chiefs and daughters of rank, its influence too spread to Manono and Aiga i le Tai, as well as to Safotulafai, Sapapaali'i and the rest of the Fa'asaleleaga district.

It was here in Manono and family by the sea, that the great Fuava'a or fleet of ships were anchored, i will call them ships because they were massive 100mtr long double wholed canoes easily abled to carry 60-100 warriors. So it was here that Malietoa sought refuge in times of war, he would stay on a ship in the middle of the fleet called the "Va'atapu" he would be tended to by a highpriest, who prayed to the pagan gods for good fortune in the pending battle. It was here too on this ship that Malietoa would "tapua'i" the battle, and the warriors would come and bring the severed heads of the enemies to him and pile them in front of him, and where the lord would congratulate them and praise their bravery.





Guys those are all the MYTHS,,,
You are talking abou the past that you no one knows if its true or just another bluff...
Were you there,when all these events happened???
Its only an imagination of how Samoa were create & settling in by the canoeing people from now where,,no one knows...
I happy the way Samoan people is,famous who wants to be famous,u only ending up with the bullets on the head...
Even if i know my family in Safotulafai have some of connections,i wouldn't give a **** abou the names.
My family are still living like evrybody else,respect our elders and respect the laws...
I wish their will be a miracle one day that Samoa will b free from poverty..
Enjoy living,no worries abou the economy,food comes like manna in heaven..
Thats what i want my people to live without fear in this system we are living in.

Keep o your frustration whos the most famous.
When you die man,you go alone and living is forgotten in your diary....
So do some charity works for the poor rather discussing matters that causing division between our people.

Tofa Soifua.

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hey Safotulafai, if you're not intersted in whats being dicussed here, then go to a page that does. There are plenty others to choose from, but don't try and hinder those who do want to know and find out about their past and what makes them Samoan. As you can clearly see, someone has a valid question, and we are just trying to help that person out. Love the fact your family lives respectfully and chooses to live that way, but others choose to seek and find answers and there's nothing wrong with that too. To each their own. Respect that too.

Soifua

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well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.

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well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.

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Anonymous wrote:

well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!

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Anonymous wrote:

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well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!


It is true, the VA'A O FONOTI is the district of Fagaloa,(1)Uafato, (2)Samamea, (3)Lona, (4)Ma'asina, (5)Ta'elefaga, (6)Salimu ma Ma'auga, (7)Musumusu, (8)Saletele, (9)Sauago. Together with Faleapuna they make up the VA'A O FONOTI. *NOTE* I heard some people use the protocol (fa'alupega) Tumua ma pule, Ituau ma Alataua, TO'OOLEFUA MA LE VAA TAU A NAFANUA. I believe it is wrong because if you faalagi Tooolefua, it is only Faleapuna and not the whole of the Fagaloa. But if you faalagi le va'a o Fonoti, you cover both the Fagaloa and Faleapuna.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!




my apolagies, to your highness Fonoti, I missunderstood- yes your va'a is well documented in Samoa's fa'alupega and also your decrees that so many families and villiages gained their tofigas from, including my aiga. Thank you, fa'asoifuaina lau afioga.

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tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!


It is true, the VA'A O FONOTI is the district of Fagaloa,(1)Uafato, (2)Samamea, (3)Lona, (4)Ma'asina, (5)Ta'elefaga, (6)Salimu ma Ma'auga, (7)Musumusu, (8)Saletele, (9)Sauago. Together with Faleapuna they make up the VA'A O FONOTI. *NOTE* I heard some people use the protocol (fa'alupega) Tumua ma pule, Ituau ma Alataua, TO'OOLEFUA MA LE VAA TAU A NAFANUA. I believe it is wrong because if you faalagi Tooolefua, it is only Faleapuna and not the whole of the Fagaloa. But if you faalagi le va'a o Fonoti, you cover both the Fagaloa and Faleapuna.




I agree. Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district, however the importance of Molio'o and Faleapuna as the To'o o le fua and also Falefa as the a'ai of Fonoti can not be denied. It exists internally within Fagaloa and it's government.

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tamasamoamoni

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Anonymous wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!


It is true, the VA'A O FONOTI is the district of Fagaloa,(1)Uafato, (2)Samamea, (3)Lona, (4)Ma'asina, (5)Ta'elefaga, (6)Salimu ma Ma'auga, (7)Musumusu, (8)Saletele, (9)Sauago. Together with Faleapuna they make up the VA'A O FONOTI. *NOTE* I heard some people use the protocol (fa'alupega) Tumua ma pule, Ituau ma Alataua, TO'OOLEFUA MA LE VAA TAU A NAFANUA. I believe it is wrong because if you faalagi Tooolefua, it is only Faleapuna and not the whole of the Fagaloa. But if you faalagi le va'a o Fonoti, you cover both the Fagaloa and Faleapuna.




I agree. Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district, however the importance of Molio'o and Faleapuna as the To'o o le fua and also Falefa as the a'ai of Fonoti can not be denied. It exists internally within Fagaloa and it's government.


Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district AND FALEAPUNA, when you say vaa o Fonoti you are covering all of Fagaloa, AND FALEAPUNA, but if you only state Toolefua, you are refering only to Faleapuna and you leave out Fagaloa. Some to'oto'o can stop your lauga right there, and seu your lauga right there. You must leave nothing to chance, or give another tootoo a chance to seu your lauga. You must be as accurate as posible.

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Anonymous

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tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!


It is true, the VA'A O FONOTI is the district of Fagaloa,(1)Uafato, (2)Samamea, (3)Lona, (4)Ma'asina, (5)Ta'elefaga, (6)Salimu ma Ma'auga, (7)Musumusu, (8)Saletele, (9)Sauago. Together with Faleapuna they make up the VA'A O FONOTI. *NOTE* I heard some people use the protocol (fa'alupega) Tumua ma pule, Ituau ma Alataua, TO'OOLEFUA MA LE VAA TAU A NAFANUA. I believe it is wrong because if you faalagi Tooolefua, it is only Faleapuna and not the whole of the Fagaloa. But if you faalagi le va'a o Fonoti, you cover both the Fagaloa and Faleapuna.




I agree. Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district, however the importance of Molio'o and Faleapuna as the To'o o le fua and also Falefa as the a'ai of Fonoti can not be denied. It exists internally within Fagaloa and it's government.


Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district AND FALEAPUNA, when you say vaa o Fonoti you are covering all of Fagaloa, AND FALEAPUNA, but if you only state Toolefua, you are refering only to Faleapuna and you leave out Fagaloa. Some to'oto'o can stop your lauga right there, and seu your lauga right there. You must leave nothing to chance, or give another tootoo a chance to seu your lauga. You must be as accurate as posible.




I thought that was what i just said!I agreed!!......why are we going around in circles?

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Anonymous

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tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!


It is true, the VA'A O FONOTI is the district of Fagaloa,(1)Uafato, (2)Samamea, (3)Lona, (4)Ma'asina, (5)Ta'elefaga, (6)Salimu ma Ma'auga, (7)Musumusu, (8)Saletele, (9)Sauago. Together with Faleapuna they make up the VA'A O FONOTI. *NOTE* I heard some people use the protocol (fa'alupega) Tumua ma pule, Ituau ma Alataua, TO'OOLEFUA MA LE VAA TAU A NAFANUA. I believe it is wrong because if you faalagi Tooolefua, it is only Faleapuna and not the whole of the Fagaloa. But if you faalagi le va'a o Fonoti, you cover both the Fagaloa and Faleapuna.




I agree. Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district, however the importance of Molio'o and Faleapuna as the To'o o le fua and also Falefa as the a'ai of Fonoti can not be denied. It exists internally within Fagaloa and it's government.


Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district AND FALEAPUNA, when you say vaa o Fonoti you are covering all of Fagaloa, AND FALEAPUNA, but if you only state Toolefua, you are refering only to Faleapuna and you leave out Fagaloa. Some to'oto'o can stop your lauga right there, and seu your lauga right there. You must leave nothing to chance, or give another tootoo a chance to seu your lauga. You must be as accurate as posible.





Its me the myth from safotulafai...
You are correct,i have no knowledge in this kind of topic...AND IM NOT INTERSTING DISCUSSING THE ISSUES,,ITS BORING & FULL OF DUST...
Why because,its not going to help the suffering of our people @ the moment.
We need to find solution to help the poverty of our people not discussing the lineage from all the past famouS ..WHO WHATS TO KNOW..
LIFE IS CHANGE AND WE CAN'T TURN THE CLOCK BACKWARD,, THIS IS REALITY...
TELL ME ,DO U THINK ALL THIS FAMOUS TITLE THAT YOU MENTION,LIKE FONOTI ETC.
WIL THEY INTERESTING SHARES THEIR WEALTH TO FAMILIES THAT STILL LIVING IN ONE WAGE OF $200 a week or mab less..
THATS WHAT U CALL SHARING,& CARING FOR THE SAMOAN PEOPLE..
BECAUSE,I DON'T THINK SO...STOP SHOWING OFF,WHO YOU ARE,COS BY THE END OF THE DAY,,,WE ALL THE SAME IN THE EYES OF THE LIVING GOD...
tHE POOR,RICH.MILLIONARES,WEALTHY AND FAMOUS FONOTI,MONEY COMES OUT FROM THEIR NOSE,THEY ALL ENDING UP IN THE SAME PLACE,WITH NO KNOWLEDGE
AND DAY & NITE...

SAFOTULAFAI THAT STILL THE SAME LIVING AS BEFORE THE VA'A OR WOTEVER ARRIVES FROM NOW WHERE...

KEEP THE PEACE & THIS TOPIC WAS ON THE LINE ALMOST 18MTHS...
SOS WHATS THAT TELLING YOU,LAGALAGA MA'A..


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TAMASAMOAMONI

Date:
 

Anonymous wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!


It is true, the VA'A O FONOTI is the district of Fagaloa,(1)Uafato, (2)Samamea, (3)Lona, (4)Ma'asina, (5)Ta'elefaga, (6)Salimu ma Ma'auga, (7)Musumusu, (8)Saletele, (9)Sauago. Together with Faleapuna they make up the VA'A O FONOTI. *NOTE* I heard some people use the protocol (fa'alupega) Tumua ma pule, Ituau ma Alataua, TO'OOLEFUA MA LE VAA TAU A NAFANUA. I believe it is wrong because if you faalagi Tooolefua, it is only Faleapuna and not the whole of the Fagaloa. But if you faalagi le va'a o Fonoti, you cover both the Fagaloa and Faleapuna.




I agree. Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district, however the importance of Molio'o and Faleapuna as the To'o o le fua and also Falefa as the a'ai of Fonoti can not be denied. It exists internally within Fagaloa and it's government.


Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district AND FALEAPUNA, when you say vaa o Fonoti you are covering all of Fagaloa, AND FALEAPUNA, but if you only state Toolefua, you are refering only to Faleapuna and you leave out Fagaloa. Some to'oto'o can stop your lauga right there, and seu your lauga right there. You must leave nothing to chance, or give another tootoo a chance to seu your lauga. You must be as accurate as posible.




I thought that was what i just said!I agreed!!......why are we going around in circles?


BECAUSE YOU ARE STRESSING THE IMPORTANCE OF MOLIO'O AND FALEAPUNA, AND I AM STRESSING THE IMPORTANCE OF THE CORRECT PROTOCOL. MY GREATGRANDFATHER IS NAMED MOLIO'O AFTER HIS MOLIO'O FAMILY IN FALEAPUNA, AND LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THE PEOPLE USE THE TO'OOLEFUA PROTOCOL AND NOT THE VA'A O FONOTI PROTOCOL, PUTTING THEM IN DANGER OF BEING STOPPED. EVEN FALEOMAVAEGA ENI HUNKIN, THE AM. SAMOA REPRESENATIVE TO WASHINGTON OF ALL PEOPLE, USED IT IN ONE OF HIS SPEECHES.

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Anonymous

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Anonymous wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

tamasamoamoni wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

well the only va'a then where you can't say a myth is le VA'A-O-FONOTI as his tofigas and its on the fa'alupega of all Samoa! faapine it cant be change forever.





maybe you should just keep to the way your family does things in Safotulafai, obviously its the only thing you have any knowledge about!..........The great fuava'a of Manono is no myth, and certainly not to them, nor is the great fleet of Tagaloa Funefeai as Tamasamoamoni pointed out, a mere myth to the people of Safune.
You firstly put down a constructive conversation between good people about fa'asamoa, and then you enter it (as they say in rugby terms) from the side!
Yes!.....conceded that the Va'a of Fonoti which was the fa'alupega given to Ulualofaiga and the district of Fagaloa by king Fonoti in honour of their loyalty and service during the war, and that Molio'o was made the staff of the fleet. This however is errelevant to the question posted, reffering to the Va'a of Malietoa, which is the pride and joy of Lei'ataua Lesa and Lei'ataua LeTaua, Taupau and Mulipola, guarded by the speeches of Futi and Auapa'au and the house of Manono who is said to be the first post of government.


correcting here, i am someone else answering to the salafai person that said about all the ancient history is a Myth! well i'm a Sa-Fonoti and didn't agree to salafai so i said that.. over and out. fa!


It is true, the VA'A O FONOTI is the district of Fagaloa,(1)Uafato, (2)Samamea, (3)Lona, (4)Ma'asina, (5)Ta'elefaga, (6)Salimu ma Ma'auga, (7)Musumusu, (8)Saletele, (9)Sauago. Together with Faleapuna they make up the VA'A O FONOTI. *NOTE* I heard some people use the protocol (fa'alupega) Tumua ma pule, Ituau ma Alataua, TO'OOLEFUA MA LE VAA TAU A NAFANUA. I believe it is wrong because if you faalagi Tooolefua, it is only Faleapuna and not the whole of the Fagaloa. But if you faalagi le va'a o Fonoti, you cover both the Fagaloa and Faleapuna.




I agree. Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district, however the importance of Molio'o and Faleapuna as the To'o o le fua and also Falefa as the a'ai of Fonoti can not be denied. It exists internally within Fagaloa and it's government.


Va'a o Fonoti is reference to all Fagaloa district AND FALEAPUNA, when you say vaa o Fonoti you are covering all of Fagaloa, AND FALEAPUNA, but if you only state Toolefua, you are refering only to Faleapuna and you leave out Fagaloa. Some to'oto'o can stop your lauga right there, and seu your lauga right there. You must leave nothing to chance, or give another tootoo a chance to seu your lauga. You must be as accurate as posible.





Its me the myth from safotulafai...
You are correct,i have no knowledge in this kind of topic...AND IM NOT INTERSTING DISCUSSING THE ISSUES,,ITS BORING & FULL OF DUST...
Why because,its not going to help the suffering of our people @ the moment.
We need to find solution to help the poverty of our people not discussing the lineage from all the past famouS ..WHO WHATS TO KNOW..
LIFE IS CHANGE AND WE CAN'T TURN THE CLOCK BACKWARD,, THIS IS REALITY...
TELL ME ,DO U THINK ALL THIS FAMOUS TITLE THAT YOU MENTION,LIKE FONOTI ETC.
WIL THEY INTERESTING SHARES THEIR WEALTH TO FAMILIES THAT STILL LIVING IN ONE WAGE OF $200 a week or mab less..
THATS WHAT U CALL SHARING,& CARING FOR THE SAMOAN PEOPLE..
BECAUSE,I DON'T THINK SO...STOP SHOWING OFF,WHO YOU ARE,COS BY THE END OF THE DAY,,,WE ALL THE SAME IN THE EYES OF THE LIVING GOD...
tHE POOR,RICH.MILLIONARES,WEALTHY AND FAMOUS FONOTI,MONEY COMES OUT FROM THEIR NOSE,THEY ALL ENDING UP IN THE SAME PLACE,WITH NO KNOWLEDGE
AND DAY & NITE...

SAFOTULAFAI THAT STILL THE SAME LIVING AS BEFORE THE VA'A OR WOTEVER ARRIVES FROM NOW WHERE...

KEEP THE PEACE & THIS TOPIC WAS ON THE LINE ALMOST 18MTHS...
SOS WHATS THAT TELLING YOU,LAGALAGA MA'A..



excuse me, if you know your history, there was a Fonoti that fought for Samoa's freedom from New Zealand and the British empire. If you want to be sure, click on the following url link to view original documentation for your information: http://fonoti.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/some-original-copies-of-minutes-taken-on-hon-fonoti-petition-for-self-government-directly-presented-to-nz-pm-hon-p-fraser-in-1944/

becareful with what you say aye.. cause you using Fonoti in your message is not on when Fonoti fought for our freedom!

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