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WAR BETWEEN SAMOA N TONGA????????


Where did the war between Tonga and Samoa take place! And where did it end?


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Tia

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Historian wrote:

Where did the war between Tonga and Samoa take place! And where did it end?







It started back in Otara whn the Tongan got chopped?

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OTARA

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USO62

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I rekon it started wen da Tongan King started taking advantage of Samoanz in certain areas in Samoa bak n da dayz! Den da Malietoaz started da slaughterhouse on evry Tongan on site! Tongan King fled 4 his life wid da rest! So datz where it all started! So prity much wen dey invaded certain villagez in Samoa! But i rekon alot of us do get along but wen it cumz down 2 da Nitty Gritty we are all Stand Staunch & Got So Much Pride for our islandz! In my opinion we HONESTLY look da same! U cant really tell whoz HAMO & whoz KOGA nowadayz! We all Big, Brown & neva bak down 2 nobody! So even if Tonga didnt invade Samoa bak den i rekon we wud of went 2 war 4 sum otha reason coz datz just how we are! We similar breedz dat dont give a fuk BUT we can both be very frendly n humble at da same time! Dat incident dat hapened in Otara bak n da dayz where 1 of dose Tonganz got dere head chopped off & da otha 1 got his arm chopped off sparked up a whole lot of killingz around Auckland especially around South Auckland! 2 weekz afta dat a Samoan got beaten 2 death in Mangere by a group of Tonganz with batz! Den a couple monthz afta dat anada Tongan got stabbbed 2 death by 3 Samoanz at a park in Mangere! It waz just outta control! I waz 12 at da time & i tell u it waz a very scary time 2 live n South Auckland! Couldnt even walk home from skool widout gettin stopped from a group of guyz askin wetha ur Tongan or Samoan! Even carz wud pull ova n ask u! So me n my matez were on 2 it! We had a mixture of Hamoz n Kogaz dat wud walk 2 getha bak from De La Salle which is in Mangere! So wen dey asked we had an ansa 4 both Tongan & Samoan! LOL! Well datz a lil bit of history from my end! I honestly wish we cud all get along! My best frend is a Tongan! We been Usoz since we were kidz! & we share da same scary storiez growin up n da hood! We undastand dat we both cum from Very Proud Staunch Humble & Violent culturez so WAR will alwayz be sumfing dat is hard 2 avoid especially wen a Group are unda influence of Alkz n Drugz & da attitude at home is alwayz negative wen Tonga is mentioned or Samoa! BUT Itz neva 2 late 2 stop dis War! It all startz wid YOU!!! Den we can pass it on 2 da next generation!

Much Alofaz!
USO62!



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lady t

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As with brothers, the two are as close as close can be, but at the same time rivalry underlies the calm. This has almost always been the case between Samoa and Tonga. There was a time when part of Samoa was under the rule of Tonga, and yes it was short lived. They were driven from Samoa in great style... (very long story- for another time..)
And then there were those terrible happenings in South Auckland....Both sides took casualities...
And now there is a general calm and respect for one another, well I find anyway.

Some mentioned (on another thread) that the two royal houses are intertwined, that tells me that we are truely brothers...

Peace and love to all brothers and sisters of Tonga and Samoa..

Alofa and Ofa Atu....

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Anonymous

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cant use read or somefing,! da topic says wea n wen.
in samoa, wea n wen?

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Anonymous

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I certainly agree with you....this kinda of negative stuff should cease.....the war between the tongans and the samoans goes way back that we can't dwell on....we're more civilized now than we were back then.....stop this stuff.....understanding history is a good thing but when you start joking about these issues is not on.

back to the subject, the war i think started when the tongans were in samoa at the time....some 400+ years ago.....worth reading into it...i'll do the same.

foul language should not be used on these forums....it's very degrading and unpleasant!!!!

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SOSAI

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Historian wrote:

Where did the war between Tonga and Samoa take place! And where did it end?



The war ended in ALEIPATA and thats the truth!



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Anonymous

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YOU'RE SOOO HELPFUL MATE!!!!

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Sosai

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SOSAI wrote:

Historian wrote:

Where did the war between Tonga and Samoa take place! And where did it end?



The war ended in ALEIPATA and thats the truth!



Our forefathers and the Tongans that died during the war, [exile of Tongans] are buried in ALEIPATA with their weapons!!!!!
There are two historic sites there. Hope that helps!

Ia manuia



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Anonymous

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USO62 wrote:

I rekon it started wen da Tongan King started taking advantage of Samoanz in certain areas in Samoa bak n da dayz! Den da Malietoaz started da slaughterhouse on evry Tongan on site! Tongan King fled 4 his life wid da rest! So datz where it all started! So prity much wen dey invaded certain villagez in Samoa! But i rekon alot of us do get along but wen it cumz down 2 da Nitty Gritty we are all Stand Staunch & Got So Much Pride for our islandz! In my opinion we HONESTLY look da same! U cant really tell whoz HAMO & whoz KOGA nowadayz! We all Big, Brown & neva bak down 2 nobody! So even if Tonga didnt invade Samoa bak den i rekon we wud of went 2 war 4 sum otha reason coz datz just how we are! We similar breedz dat dont give a fuk BUT we can both be very frendly n humble at da same time! Dat incident dat hapened in Otara bak n da dayz where 1 of dose Tonganz got dere head chopped off & da otha 1 got his arm chopped off sparked up a whole lot of killingz around Auckland especially around South Auckland! 2 weekz afta dat a Samoan got beaten 2 death in Mangere by a group of Tonganz with batz! Den a couple monthz afta dat anada Tongan got stabbbed 2 death by 3 Samoanz at a park in Mangere! It waz just outta control! I waz 12 at da time & i tell u it waz a very scary time 2 live n South Auckland! Couldnt even walk home from skool widout gettin stopped from a group of guyz askin wetha ur Tongan or Samoan! Even carz wud pull ova n ask u! So me n my matez were on 2 it! We had a mixture of Hamoz n Kogaz dat wud walk 2 getha bak from De La Salle which is in Mangere! So wen dey asked we had an ansa 4 both Tongan & Samoan! LOL! Well datz a lil bit of history from my end! I honestly wish we cud all get along! My best frend is a Tongan! We been Usoz since we were kidz! & we share da same scary storiez growin up n da hood! We undastand dat we both cum from Very Proud Staunch Humble & Violent culturez so WAR will alwayz be sumfing dat is hard 2 avoid especially wen a Group are unda influence of Alkz n Drugz & da attitude at home is alwayz negative wen Tonga is mentioned or Samoa! BUT Itz neva 2 late 2 stop dis War! It all startz wid YOU!!! Den we can pass it on 2 da next generation!

Much Alofaz!
USO62!





any ideas where i can read the news articles or somthing like that?

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concerned and shocked

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After only a few minutes of research on the net, I've found out what's been happeneing with our youth back in NZ. The war rages on between our youth (Samoan and Tongan.)

It's despicable and I'm ashamed to say that I was looking at a profile of a young man on bebo brandishing guns and other weapons, twisting his fingers like an idiot, and drinking and showing off his inked up body, with his tough "gang members."

And when I looked at his name, my heart sank, not only am I related to this FOOL, he has been given my great uncles name who has litterally just passed away.

It makes me so mad to think of this little piss ant punk to be representing the name and calabre of the man I once knew.

But it's not just one or two in NZ, apparently this is the trend for most pacific island youths. Stealing, fighting, swearing, drinking and having sex is a norm now.

What the hell.... obviously some kind of breakdown between parents kids and church, we all need to do something, now!

I don't want our youth to become like those meauli ferrrets in america, i just want to slap them I mean WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

And apparently it's not safe to walk around there anymore? Is this true??? MY G*D! I had a gang when I was young too, but we just hung out, NEVER even looked at people wrong. I mean my mother and father would have hammered me, not to mention I didn't want to known as the local fia american gangster, more like fia ai kae now.

FAR OUT PEOPLE!!!! I'M SO MAD!!! OUR YOUTH LOOK LIKE TOTAL MORONS ON THE NET. THEY LOOK SO STUPID AND IDIOTIC.

WE NEED TO SEND THEM BACK HOME.

a good hiding never hurt anyone.....disbelief.gifdisbelief.gifno.gifno.gifdisbelief.gifno.gif

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Anonymous

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start online....there's some interesting publications there but very conflicting though althought that's where you can do your assessments whether it is all true....trust your own instincts.....a balanced view and trying to connect the pieces will give you a good idea of what happened....apparently there's so much connection between us and the tongans.....in fact the royal family in tonga has many samoan connection in their line so that's not surprising....perhaps why we fight so much is because we fail to acknowledge that we have so much in common and we're practically the same people......we just parted becos of some differences or preferences in those days but it comes down that tongans and samoans are the same people or they mingled alot which they did...a lot of intermarriage happened then and it's still happening.....my analysis is that the tongans and the samoans alike just have a lot of pride that they don't want to front up to say that it is the case...it's a shame really and we end up hurting each otha over such trivial things.

is life worth living dwelling over the past that only brings ill-feelings and depression?.....life is too short to be hateful and angry towards each other......we're all one before God.... who cares if you're better.....we live trying to prove to the tongans that we're a beta race or the tongans in return but no one cares.....at the end of the day, only you as an individual has to front up for your own self......life is too short......we should be more concerned about the future.....take care people and lets talk some more soon!

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USO62

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USO62 wrote:

I rekon it started wen da Tongan King started taking advantage of Samoanz in certain areas in Samoa bak n da dayz! Den da Malietoaz started da slaughterhouse on evry Tongan on site! Tongan King fled 4 his life wid da rest! So datz where it all started! So prity much wen dey invaded certain villagez in Samoa! But i rekon alot of us do get along but wen it cumz down 2 da Nitty Gritty we are all Stand Staunch & Got So Much Pride for our islandz! In my opinion we HONESTLY look da same! U cant really tell whoz HAMO & whoz KOGA nowadayz! We all Big, Brown & neva bak down 2 nobody! So even if Tonga didnt invade Samoa bak den i rekon we wud of went 2 war 4 sum otha reason coz datz just how we are! We similar breedz dat dont give a fuk BUT we can both be very frendly n humble at da same time! Dat incident dat hapened in Otara bak n da dayz where 1 of dose Tonganz got dere head chopped off & da otha 1 got his arm chopped off sparked up a whole lot of killingz around Auckland especially around South Auckland! 2 weekz afta dat a Samoan got beaten 2 death in Mangere by a group of Tonganz with batz! Den a couple monthz afta dat anada Tongan got stabbbed 2 death by 3 Samoanz at a park in Mangere! It waz just outta control! I waz 12 at da time & i tell u it waz a very scary time 2 live n South Auckland! Couldnt even walk home from skool widout gettin stopped from a group of guyz askin wetha ur Tongan or Samoan! Even carz wud pull ova n ask u! So me n my matez were on 2 it! We had a mixture of Hamoz n Kogaz dat wud walk 2 getha bak from De La Salle which is in Mangere! So wen dey asked we had an ansa 4 both Tongan & Samoan! LOL! Well datz a lil bit of history from my end! I honestly wish we cud all get along! My best frend is a Tongan! We been Usoz since we were kidz! & we share da same scary storiez growin up n da hood! We undastand dat we both cum from Very Proud Staunch Humble & Violent culturez so WAR will alwayz be sumfing dat is hard 2 avoid especially wen a Group are unda influence of Alkz n Drugz & da attitude at home is alwayz negative wen Tonga is mentioned or Samoa! BUT Itz neva 2 late 2 stop dis War! It all startz wid YOU!!! Den we can pass it on 2 da next generation!

Much Alofaz!
USO62!





any ideas where i can read the news articles or somthing like that?


Not 2 sure Uce! If ur askin bout da South Auckland incidentz den maybe try da NZ Herald!

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came across this on polycafe website..good read


The story of Leatiogie and Malalatea
Written by Tupuola Terry Tavita

As Alexander The Great and his vast legions swept across Persia, there lived at Aele in the Tuamasaga district an old man by the name of Fe'epo.
He and his wife, Leipaleatele, the daughter of Leniu of Afolau, had three children. The two boys Leatiogie and Malalatea and their sister Sina.
One day, the Tuimanu'a came calling and courted the girl Sina. They left and lived in Manu'a for ten years.
Homesick, Sina sent a messenger home beckoning her brothers to visit her. Feepo sent his elder son Malalatea.
It was the height of the Tuimanu'a empire across Polynesia and when Malalatea arrived, the king and his council were having an ava ceremony.
"Alas! My poor brother, today you will die as somebody is yet to be found for the human sacrifice," Sina cried.
"But do not be afraid, if you follow my instructions you may yet live."
Sina told her brother to go to the ceremony, if he is asked to bring the sacred fish of the Tuimanu'a "use these two magical stones to lure the man-eating creature that lives in the bottomless pond".
True to her word, when Malalatea arrived he was told to fetch the fish.
As his sister instructed, Malalatea threw the first stone into the pond that woke the fish and brought it to the surface. When the second stone was cast, the water receded and the giant fish was beached on the bank of the pond.
The boy grabbed it by the gills and dragged it to where the ceremony was taking place.
"This is no ordinary boy," the Tuimanu'a thought.
"Go fetch us ava roots from my ava bush deep in the woods," he instructed.
So again Malalatea returned to his sister for more instructions.
"That is an enchanted bush and will surely be the end of you. Take this stick, when the stems make a grab for you, strike it with the stick."
The boy did as he was told and before evening a pile of enchanted ava roots was placed before the king.
"Join us son," the king told Malalatea.
But the boy and his sister have had enough of the king's treachery. They were already making their way to the beach where Malalatea's crew waited to go back to Upolu.
The king tried pleaded with his wife to stay, but Sina refused.
"If I cannot persuade you to stay, then take my Faleula as my parting gift to you," he said.
"Also take my taitafola (reef) with, the oysters, shellfish and clams it contains will ensure that you will never go hungry."
On the way to Upolu, the party spent a few days in Pago Pago Tutuila.
As with tradition, high chief Tuaolo was obligated to escort the queen home. He and his fleet accompanied the returning party to Tuamasaga and that is how the Faleagafulu came to Upolu.
Leatiogie
Meanwhile Leatiogie was devoted to looking after his blind father.
The district was going through some tough days. A cyclone had just struck the island and there was scant food to be found. While scavenging in the hills one day, Leatiogie came across a giant yam, deeply imbedded in the a rock crevasse.
Many young men that came across it had given up trying to pull out. "E mana'o i le ufi ae fefe i le papa."
But Leatiogie was no ordinary man.
He pulled, and pulled until the rocks gave way and out went the giant yam.
For months the boy fed his father with the words. Until one day, the old man beckoned his son over.
"If I am eating all the yams, what are you eating?" Feepo asked.
"Don't worry father the skin shavings are enough for me."
The old man was struck with love for his son.
"Strong men who will be known throughout the corners of Samoa will descend from you. From this day forward your geneology will known as the "gafa o le ufi" to remember your loyalty to me.

SPORT
Like rugby today, aigofie is the sport that was most popular in those days. Two combatants faced each other in a shallow pit, one hand tied to a heavy log.
Armed with a heavy palm frond, they take turns swinging at each other until one is knocked out or gives up. There are three main tournaments- Amouta, Amotai and Moamoa- all located in the Falefa area.
All the mighty warriors throughout Samoa turn up every to test their skill and courage, and who is the champion of Samoa.
Salevaogogo, eldest son of the Tuiatua, was the reigning champion.
Eager to join the very man tournament, Leatiogie begged his father to let him go.
"Go and I will wait for you hear at Aele. May your body be darkened to your enemy, your vision clear as a bright day, your paths paved in blood."
At Amouta, Salevaogogo and Leatiogie were the final combatants and they fought a fears battle to a draw. Again at Amotai, a second contest was declared another. But Salevaogogo was losing his strength.
"Amouta is finished, Amotai has received us. Now it all comes down to Moamoa," said Leatiogie.
"We finish this tomorrow."
On the ninth swing at Moamoa, Salevaogogo fell to Leatiogie's club.
Badly injured, Salevaogogo called out to Leatiogie, "Today we were rivals and you've proven yourself the stronger warrior. But one day, those that descend from you we will fight side-by-side against a common enemy".
Word reached Aele and the old man was overcome with joy.
Ua pati taoto le Feepo.
Eight months later, Malalatea and Sina arrived home. Word had already gone out to all the corners of Samoa that they were bringing with them the Faleula and the taitafola of the Tuimanua. And there was a great gathering at Tuamasaga.
Leatiogie brought his father to the beach to greet them- the whole village at Aele followed. It was a moving reunion and the old man decided not to go back into the hills. His home along the coast became known as Fogaa and the village, Faleula, named after the gift from the Tuimanua
Possessing one of the richest marine life in the country, Faleula still enjoys the taitafola gifted them from the Tuimanua.
In later years, Leatiogie married Tauaupolu, the daughter of Ale of Toamua, and from the union were seven children- Savea, Tuna, Fata, Veatauia, Leimul!, Lealaolo and their sister Leatiatigie.
Meanwhile, Sina remarried a matai from Falelatai, and from the union was the boy Ulumasui.
Malalatea moved to Savai'i where he married a girl from Salailua. The union produces the boys Leaso, Tuimataala and Tuumaiala.

Tongans in Samoa

As Richard the Lionheart led the Crusades to liberate Jerusalem, Tuitonga Ahoeitu married a daughter of Tapusoa and settled at Safotu.
There was famine in Tonga at the time and many of his Tongan relatives followed him. They lived with their Samoan hosts peacefully for many years.
But things changed when the third Tuitonga, Talaifei'i, took reign. He was cruel and tyrannical and soon was able to usurp his hosts. His empire spread out to the Faasaleleaga district. His Samoan subjects were made to build a stone wall dividing the occupied north from the rest of the island. It became known as Matauea, or the pa u'amea. Remnants of this wall are still visible today. Several districts in Upolu also fell under his rule. Outposts were established in the Faleata and Luatuanu'u areas and another at Hapai, on Manono Island. Chiefs in unoccupied regions were concerned with the Tongans growing influence.
Tutuila also was dominated by the Tongans, its outpost at Leone and Fagaitua. Only Manu'a was untouched thanks to a longstanding pact between the Tuimanua and the Tuitonga.
In the Tuamasaga district lived the brothers Lealali, Savea, Tuna, Fata, Veatauia, Leimul! and their sister Leatiatigie. Children of Leatiogie, champion of the club sport aigofie and the source of many of Samoa's proverbs.
Word of Tuna and Fata's bravery and combat skill spread like wildfire throughout Samoa and the Talaifei'i became concerned. He sent for the brothers to come to Safotu.
When Tuna and Fata arrived they were told by the king to roll and large boulder that blocked the mountain path along the shore.
Tuna then sent a message to his cousin Ulumasui, who lived with his father Tagaloa at Falelatai. A shaman, Ulumasui is the son of Sina, the sister of Leatiogie.
When Ulumasui arrived in Safotu, he went to the swamp behind Manase and caught two eels. He then went out to the reef and caught an octopus.
He dug three holes at the base of the rock and released his catch. He poured sea water inside the holes and the octopus and eels burrowed into the ground. He then instructed Tuna and Fata to roll the boulder out to sea.
That boulder can still be seen today in the lagoon as you maneuver the bend between Safotu and Manase.
The three boys were now set on removing the Tongans from Samoa. That night, they stole the anchor of the Talaifeii's war canoe, made of the hardwood trunk of the toa tree, and swam back to Upolu.
On the way they secretly informed the coastal villages to put out the fires and prepare for war. Logologopuialii. All the brave warriors were told to gather at Lotopu'e in the Aleipata district.
At the peninsula at Iva village, the brothers rested and it was there that they fashioned their war clubs from the anchor. Totofi ai laau, thus the title Tofilau. Word was sent to the village to put out the evening fires, thus the orator title there Sasulu.
Shortly after, Talaifei'i and his generals made their way to Lotopu'e where they was invited to festivities there.
Tuna, Fata, Ulumasui and Lealali arrived their first and informed the Samoan braves to bury their weapons on the malae.
During ostensible dancing the warriors closed in on their guests;
"Matamatame, Matamatame, lue le ulu, sa'e le vae, ia tele le ta ia Tonga e (meaning nod the head, lift a leg, strike a heavy blow against the Tongans.)
Matamatame, Matamatame, ta le Samoa ta ia sese, ta leToga ta ia pe.
At Tuna's signal, the warriors retrieved their war clubs and set upon the Tongans.
After furious fighting the Tongans fled. Tuna and Tapuloa, a chief of the Atua district, pushed through Le Mafa Pass and fought along the north coast. Some Tongans escaped through the Fagaloa mountains and were sheltered by Tongan-Samoan families there.
Fata and Ulumasui pursued the other Tongans along the west coast through Falealili.
Three Tongan brothers accompanied Talaifeii as they fled, making sure their king did not perish from a Samoan war club. The brothers were slain behind what is now Nofoalii village.
When Ulumasui and Fata reached Falelatai, people thronged to the retreating enemy. Ulumasui called out "Mamata nonofo ae aua le matamata tutu! ( Samoans sit down so we can identify the Tongans). Thus the name of the residence there Matanofo.
Word of the Tongan ejection reached Tutuila and Fuaautoa, a chief of Pago Pago raised the call for war. But most Tutuilans were afraid.
With his ally Mauga, Fuaautoa then swooped on the Tongans at Leone. Seeing that the Tongans were conquerable, other Tutuilans joined in. A famous battle was fought behind where Leone High School stands today.
The Samoans were coming down the mountains and from the sea and the Tongans were cornered beneath the hills. Some 300 Tongans were slaughtered in a single day at what is named Numiatoga (the Tongan crushing).
Meanwhile, when Fata and Ulumasui reached Fatuosofia the Tongans were driven into the sea. The fleets of Leiataua and those from the Salega district were rounding Manono island. Devoid of its generals and best warriors, the Tongan bases in Savaii were easily crushed, the occupied territories liberated.
Talaaifeii stood on a rock and called out to the Samoans "Malietoa, Malietau" (well fought brave warriors.) He added that he would never again visit Samoa except as a visitor. This promise has been kept right down to the present day. The name of the rock on which the Talaifeii stood and gave his parting message was named Tulatala and the words are still used by the Samoan orators. Taeao nai Tulatala.
After months of bloody war, Tuna and Fata had become feral. And they quarreled as to who should be the holder of the title Malietoa The dispute developed into a fight with clubs and ultimately both men fell exhausted. A third brother Savea came forward and standing with a foot on each of the fallen brothers prayed for their restoration to consciousness.
This came to pass hence the Samoan saying Talolua Tuna ma Fata (a prayer for Tuna and Fata) and also the name Saveatuvaelua.The brothers reconciled and Savea was given the title. He became the first Malietoa.


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kat

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dear jitters, se please don't write novels in here. we don't have time to read your 5 cents piece.
and who said there was war..... what war?.... I am maried to one and he is a damn good worshipper of me and my family.

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kat wrote:

dear jitters, se please don't write novels in here. we don't have time to read your 5 cents piece.
and who said there was war..... what war?.... I am maried to one and he is a damn good worshipper of me and my family.



WAR!!!!! The only war thats going on, is the one in the minds of those attention seekers/dreamers we should call them. They want some attention to be [known in this time or part of their lives] so they look at the FRIENDLY ISLANDS OF our neighbouring TONGAN BROTHERS, Thinking we would give them attention! But the real truth is, none of us REAL SAMOANS have anything against TONGANS, because we are all GODS children.

ps, DONT LOOK FOR ATTENTION, ATTENTION FINDS YOU!!!!!



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jitters

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kat..i didn't write the damn thing i googled it and it was on polycafe..this topic is caled WAR BETWEEN TONGA AND SAMOA!!!..you don't like it then just piss off..this is not your daddy's website..just go wipe your nose and shove three fingers up your moolee..

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hey jitters!thanks heaps for posting that huge slab of text, if was really good to read! I don't think all of that is correct, but i know you said it was at polycafe....

anyways good job!it was a good story.... and i had time to read your 5 cents!although i would have called it a dollar!smile.gifsmile.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

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Anonymous

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jitters! that's not necessary really...you had some good inputs until you started throwing nasting comments.....what you can't handle some opposing comments from ur fellow posters.....gear up and face the challenge.....that's what it's all about....so Kat is married to a tongan and so she should be defensive....that's ok.....you stand your ground and voice your point.....there's just no need for foul language here....after all you did your job...if Kat doesn't agree that's her folo....we might not all agree with your posting but you did some work...that's good effort on your part....settle down!!!!!!!!



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Once upon a time there were 2 best friends. Tuitoga & Tuimanua and they were residing in Manua. Tuimanua had a vaitaele which was tapu, whoever bathe in it would die.

Tuitoga told Tuimanua he was going to go back home to Fakapouli Toga to see how the people were then he will return and carry on their friendship. Na alu loa Tuitoga i Toga, then they made their journey back to Samoa.

On the return shores of Manua, Tuitoga met Fatutolo who looks after the Vaitaele, Tuitoga begged him he wanted to bathe in the Vaitaele o Tuimanua but Fatutolo warned him, that whoever bathe in the vai will die.

Tuitoga didnt listen and went ahead and bathe, where he died. Fakapouli were crying and mourning, walking around him saying "Tuitoga e, Manavae".

Fatutolo then went and told Tuimanua about his precious friend who died in the vaitaele. Tuimanua was so devasted and told Fatutolo... "Fai i tagata o Fakapouli, e sui le upu o le pese i Tuimanua e, Le Alii e, e toe ola mai Tuitoga".

Fakapouli did what Fatutolo instructed them on what to do, and Tuitoga came back to life.....



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MYTH, CULTURAL IDENTITY, AND ETHNOPOLITICS:
SAMOA AND THE TONGAN "EMPIRE'
Jeannette Alofa Mageo
Department of Anthropology, Washington State University, Pullman WA

Dr. Tanuvasa Tavale (1990b) argues that Tuna and Fata only freed their own district
(Tuamasaga) from domination. Many Samoan high chiefs were subordinates and servants of Tongan royals by marriage and intertwining descent lines. Since they were affines, Samoan chiefs relied on Tongan aid in war, and Tongans thereby secured continuing influence and even dominance in Samoa. Like Anderson's (1983) premoder European aristocrats, their allegiances were
dynastic rather than national. A picture of Samoan politics as so fractionalized as to invite foreign interference is no doubt accurate. Succeeding Malietoas were continually defending their delimited sovereignty against other chiefs; their personal bodyguards assassinated rivals who became too popular (Stuebel 1976:74). What is key in the Tuna and Fata tale is that it indicates that by the twentieth century, the possibility of centralized, concerted political action had come to be seen as fundamental to the brothers' victory. In Gafua Uesale's version (1979:22), Tuna and Fata "sent messengers all over Samoa urging the people to rise like one man." This indicates a centralized version of Samoan politics directly influenced by the Tui Tonga system of hiearchy.

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vaivai

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E mafai ga faagagu faigofie mai le kala faamolemle, e vaivai kele le gagu a si gei kagaka ola, e lei lava le aoga igilisi pei o oukou. male ava lava.

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Anonymous

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vaivai wrote:

E mafai ga faagagu faigofie mai le kala faamolemle, e vaivai kele le gagu a si gei kagaka ola, e lei lava le aoga igilisi pei o oukou. male ava lava.






HA HA HA.....you're soo funny....ae sa'o oe a.....pe ga o se kakou gagana....pls posters hear the outcry a si fellow forum particpator lea.......tell me abut it....it's nice to know something pe a fai e faigofie le igirisi eh....:)

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Anonymous

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Tia wrote:

Historian wrote:

Where did the war between Tonga and Samoa take place! And where did it end?







It started back in Otara whn the Tongan got chopped?




e ese le stupid o oe ia ma lau oe remark........do you think that's funny?.....you're sooo insensitive to joke about that.........simply foolish on your part!!!!

you know that wasn't nice at all and you should really refrain from commenting on the events that had a negative effect on many people.....still that incident then still causes a lot of uproar between samoans and tongans.......think properly before you write mate.......oka se silly o oe ia!!!!!

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WAR ENDED

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THE WAR ENDED IN MUTIATELE/LOTO PU'E/MALAELA IN THE DISTRICT OF ALEIPATA.

MUTIATELE: WHERE SAMOA DID THE DANCE TO ENTERTAIN THE KING AND HIS WARRIORS (MATAMATA-ME! MATAMATA-ME! TA LE SAMOA TA IA SE ! TA LE TONGA TA IA PE !) IT WAS A TRICK TO CAPTURE THE TONGANS. WAR BROKE OUT, IN TO THE NEIGHBOURING VILLAGE.

LOTO-PU'E: WHERE THEY WERE CAPTURED AND THEIR WEAPONS WERE CONFISCATED AND BURIED IN LOTO-PU'E. BECAUSE THE SAMOANS WERE AFRAID THE SPIRITS MIGHT RETURN BACK WITH THE WEAPONS. THE NEXT NEIGHBOURING VILLAGE OF

MALAELA: IS WHERE ALL THE DEAD WERE LEFT TO ROT IN THE SUN.

LOCALS STILL SEE WANDERING SPIRITS IN THE MALAELA VILLAGE BUT THEY ARE USED TO THEM LIKE THEIR VILLAGE GUARDIANS (UNSEEN FAMILY MEMBERS).

DA DA LOA

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Sorry guys but the truth of the matter is that Tonga RULED Samoa for several hundred years, google it and you will find out the facts with the historians. Yes the Samoans drove the Tongans out, but were the Samoans really Samoans? the Tongans ruled Samoa for 200-400 years so in that time they would of slept with any Samoan women they wanted, so in reality all the Samoans were Tongans back then, so that must mean that all you Samoans are Tongans, you just speak a different lanuage and have different customs but the blood pumping through you is Tongan LOL

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Anonymous

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Sole se aua le faia le kou kauvaga gagu i luga o le net.
O le tala o le tala faasamoa, e malamalama lelei lava pe a faasamoa si a tatou mea.
E te fiu lava e faa faigata au nanu, o oe lava o le Samoa.
Faasamoa mai si a tatou mea mo matou le au matutua.
ana ou aoga i fafo nei pei o outou, ou te nanu foi, ae faaaoga le gagana faigofie.
Se aua le fia kama mamafa lou ake.

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LOL bro Tu'i Manu'a ruled Tonga and other islands from the years 400 AD to 950 AD you do the math lol Tongan History states of Maui gaining a hook from Tu'i Manu'a in Samoa to fish up Tonga....... Tongans came from Samoa hence the meaning of the name Tonga (SOUTH)..... Tongans claim seafarers always referred to Tonga as the islands in the SOuth now why would seafarers refer to an island as islands in the SOUTH? because the seafarers who landed their and occupied Tonga weren't originally from Tonga..... Whats North of Tonga? You guessed it Samoa lol....... If you look at Tonga they really dont have a culture of their own everything is copied from other islands you know WHY? Because the people of Tonga aren't originally from their so they copied other islands for example the Ma'ulu'ulu & Taualuga was copied from Samoa.... The Kailao was copied from Uvea etc...... They have no true identity of who they really are thats why they copy other islands....... If you really think about we were all one people during the rule of Tu'i Manu'a hence the reason Tongan History states they acquired a fish hook from Tu'i Manu'a in Samoa to fish up Tonga...... Could it be that we were all one people until Tuna & Fata expelled others from Samoa? Anyways bro Polynesian history is crazy lol

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jitters wrote:

kat..i didn't write the damn thing i googled it and it was on polycafe..this topic is caled WAR BETWEEN TONGA AND SAMOA!!!..you don't like it then just piss off..this is not your daddy's website..just go wipe your nose and shove three fingers up your moolee..






Jitters,
I love your writing style. That was a very eye opening account and thats why I love this forum, I read alot of good history. I always wondered why the Tongans do not know of Tui-Tonga Talaifeii (sp) in their history but now it makes sense, he was a Tui-Tonga made in Samoa. Not from Tonga. Im also impressed with the post regarding the theory that Tuna and Fata only liberated their own districts from Tongan rule because the Samoan power structure was so fractured, and that makes sense too when I look at how we fight on this forum for no better reason than to get a rise out of someone. It totally makes sense that we are not a people known for universal cooperation. We are all in charge of our own little domains and that is why Samoans have so many different power structures and the power is so diluted no one party or person can run Samoa, its either by consent or nothing. But thanks people for some good discussion. And three fingers up the moolee?...I dont know maybe its a Tongan farewell sign. Sorry...

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